tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11737441.post486792865361424669..comments2024-03-27T19:04:14.544-05:00Comments on The Absorbascon: Vibe #1: A ReviewScipiohttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16217376618860561999noreply@blogger.comBlogger18125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11737441.post-41304046186152311972013-03-01T15:27:31.945-05:002013-03-01T15:27:31.945-05:00""Dale Gunn didn't have telepathy.&q...""Dale Gunn didn't have telepathy.""<br /><br />Actually, he had gynotelepathy, which is how he held all the ladies in his sway.Scipiohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12112155718721908876noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11737441.post-61586565914613959102013-03-01T14:05:28.519-05:002013-03-01T14:05:28.519-05:00DC was definitely trying to tap the Marvel vein in...DC was definitely trying to tap the Marvel vein in the early-to-mid 80s, not only with JLDetroit, but New Teen Titans, Firestorm, etc. as well.<br /><br />The new Vibe is less Marvel, but that's because he's not really anything quite yet. You used the word "bland" and I can't disagree with it. Johns took him too far off-type where he might as well have been a totally different character called Vibe. I mean, would be it really have killed him to make Cisco a bit of a hip-hop dancer/breaker? Personally, I would have shown his So You Think You Can Dance audition ("doing it for my moms") which ends catastrophically because he can't be filmed.<br /><br />Instead, just more government conspiracy. Time for the U.S. gov to clean up its act, I think, because art reflects the times and I'm getting bored with the times! ;)Siskoidhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08266365376486695812noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11737441.post-89078861522263678732013-02-25T10:05:13.247-05:002013-02-25T10:05:13.247-05:00So if 80s Marvel is the thesis, and 80s DC is the ...So if 80s Marvel is the thesis, and 80s DC is the antithesis, does that make the New 52 the synthesis?Steve Mitchellnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11737441.post-69339329336077732632013-02-25T10:04:25.653-05:002013-02-25T10:04:25.653-05:00Took me a second to figure out what bald telepath ...Took me a second to figure out what bald telepath led the JLDetroit, Jacob. I still remember them being led by Aquaman, and his brief and now ignored ability to telepathically influence humans. So I thought, "Wait, Aquaman has hair." Then I went to "Dale Gunn didn't have telepathy." Finally I got to J'onn. Bryan Lnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11737441.post-43400863042428096102013-02-24T19:45:55.528-05:002013-02-24T19:45:55.528-05:00Quite right, Jacob; exactly so.Quite right, Jacob; exactly so.Scipiohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12112155718721908876noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11737441.post-59798006066336751452013-02-24T15:54:37.450-05:002013-02-24T15:54:37.450-05:00I thought it was conventional wisdom that the JL D...I thought it was conventional wisdom that the JL Detroit was a misguided attempt to X-Men-ify the Justice League, since the X-Men were the sales juggernaut (so to speak) of the mid-80s.<br /><br />Notwithstanding Scipio's old post, Vixen = Wolverine + Storm, Vibe= Dazzler + Claremontian ethnic stereotyping and dialect, Gypsy= Shadowcat minus the spunk, and Steel = Colossus + any random cursed-mutant's (e.g. Cyclops') angst. And they were led by a bald telepath.Jacob T. Levyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02575549001627195334noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11737441.post-55385168937698917132013-02-22T13:24:16.391-05:002013-02-22T13:24:16.391-05:00I am impressed with Vibe's revised powers/orig...I am impressed with Vibe's revised powers/origin, too. I think his status as "interdimensional border patrol" opens up a LOT of possibilities. I hope he's not always dealing with Darkseid's incursions -- it would be interesting to see him jaunt through the multiverse from time to time. I'm also intrigued by Waller's references to him being on the team to deal with the Flash should he ever go bad. And finally, I'm rather hoping that some of the other characters seen in ARGUS will also get revised/redeemed. Bryan Lnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11737441.post-38469571363751600482013-02-22T12:50:31.177-05:002013-02-22T12:50:31.177-05:00That’s a really interesting point, about Vibe bein...That’s a really interesting point, about Vibe being a Marvel character in a DC world – hey, if he’d had his new powers back then he could’ve crossed over into a certain swamp.<br /><br />And I saw no slams against Marvel, just sharp observations.Martin Grayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09574149543260175962noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11737441.post-41739304025093020622013-02-22T11:38:45.159-05:002013-02-22T11:38:45.159-05:00Do you not think that that description of the orig...Do you not think that that description of the original Vibe is accurate?<br /><br />Do you not think that that description is appropriate to many more Marvel characters than DC characters?<br /><br />I do.<br /><br />Furthermore... I reject the often-used objection that "a good writer can make any character work". Yes, they often do; usually by changing the character.Scipiohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12112155718721908876noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11737441.post-141089739757232352013-02-22T11:11:45.575-05:002013-02-22T11:11:45.575-05:00Your assertion that the traits that "didn'...Your assertion that the traits that "didn't work" are "Marvel traits" struck me as gratuitous. Outlining the corrections didn't require you to claim that Johns is changing Vibe from a "Marvel character" to a "DC character," but you did so anyway (as you obviously have every right to do, this being your site and all). Hence "gratuitous." I doubt that's how Johns perceives what he's doing.<br /><br />Hey, you asked.<br /><br />Heck, I didn't necessarily think that Vibe "didn't work" the first time. A good enough writer could make Vibe "work" without changing anything about him whatsoever. Johns (a good writer) simply hasn't chosen to take that route, and that's his prerogative. Shrug.ronaldnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11737441.post-83508241237517017692013-02-22T10:03:02.201-05:002013-02-22T10:03:02.201-05:00Gratuitous?
It's the heart of why Vibe didn&#...Gratuitous?<br /><br />It's the heart of why Vibe didn't work the first time and of what Johns is trying to correct.<br /><br />That doesn't seem gratuitous to me.Scipiohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12112155718721908876noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11737441.post-1602359351507384912013-02-22T08:17:38.450-05:002013-02-22T08:17:38.450-05:00As usual, the gratuitous slam against Marvel ruine...As usual, the gratuitous slam against Marvel ruined for me what had until then been a reasonably interesting read. Oh well. It's not as if I'm paying for this. ;-)ronaldnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11737441.post-66671208695265028622013-02-21T20:42:00.859-05:002013-02-21T20:42:00.859-05:00"Azzarello offed Wonder Woman's mother pr..."Azzarello offed Wonder Woman's mother pretty quickly as part of her re-branding as a demigod."<br /><br />Azzarello does offer some hope that the Amazons' current condition can be reversed; we will see.<br /><br />I think the "parental tragedy" angle is mostly a way to assure readers that the hero can endure hardships with grace and maturity. A kid who has to grow up fast becomes an adult who could step up to superheroing.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11737441.post-9128277227286258902013-02-21T20:41:45.788-05:002013-02-21T20:41:45.788-05:00He didn't get much more love in JLA #1. That h...He didn't get much more love in JLA #1. That had him doing more free-lance vigilante work, although he showed heart by paying for a stolen candy bar.<br /><br />I'll give it a chance, but unless he puts some pep in his step I'm stepping off. Nathan Hallhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05477802465452451455noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11737441.post-170883516837086192013-02-21T20:22:57.520-05:002013-02-21T20:22:57.520-05:00SallyP - our host disagrees.SallyP - our host <a href="http://absorbascon.blogspot.com/2007/11/why-vibe-is-nothing-like-dazzler.html" rel="nofollow">disagrees</a>. Marcoshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00170588816722651862noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11737441.post-41674659703312356312013-02-21T19:21:42.502-05:002013-02-21T19:21:42.502-05:00Admittedly, I'm a nerd, but my first thought o...Admittedly, I'm a nerd, but my first thought on seeing his new name was "he's a router guy?". I had no idea that was a common nickname: I need to get out more...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11737441.post-47250267577908306022013-02-21T17:23:34.061-05:002013-02-21T17:23:34.061-05:00It did indeed. Although Dale Gunn is the palest s...It did indeed. Although Dale Gunn is the palest shadow of original. DESPITE being a secret agent, LOL. I mean-- not a SINGLE person tried to have sex with him in the entire issue!Scipiohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12112155718721908876noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11737441.post-73415242081802840042013-02-21T16:52:06.905-05:002013-02-21T16:52:06.905-05:00The original Vibe was a Marvel character in a DC u...The original Vibe was a Marvel character in a DC universe? My God! <br /><br />He was a male Dazzler! I never NOTICED that before.<br /><br />I do have to say that I did buy and read the new Vibe book, and it wasn't bad. At least I am interested in where it is going.<br /><br />And it had Dale Gunn in it!SallyPhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05592635194271250605noreply@blogger.com