tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11737441.post1565928880055918942..comments2024-03-27T19:04:14.544-05:00Comments on The Absorbascon: Politics Make Strange BedfellowsScipiohttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16217376618860561999noreply@blogger.comBlogger29125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11737441.post-18602187550862175232022-06-12T21:30:36.026-05:002022-06-12T21:30:36.026-05:00Wow; I can't believe this was 10 year ago.
How...Wow; I can't believe this was 10 year ago.<br />How far poor Archie has fallen in his risen to television fame!<br />Yet how far we have come in terms of representation both in comics, on screen, and in society in general.Scipiohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12112155718721908876noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11737441.post-52842467674177303002012-03-15T22:49:24.226-05:002012-03-15T22:49:24.226-05:00It seems that every comic book I pick up these day...It seems that every comic book I pick up these days ends up featuring some sexual minority or other. But gay male DCNU character... Aside from Apollo and Midnighter and that new kid who was in an article once, I got nothing. I _think_ The Shade is bi, and so is Catman. Until now, I was actually much more aware of the shortage of decent bi characters than gay ones.Bradynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11737441.post-79792297942024706382012-03-15T05:06:18.991-05:002012-03-15T05:06:18.991-05:00Oh my god , I can't believe you remember "...Oh my god , I can't believe you remember "Pullman Porter" LOL!!!Scipiohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12112155718721908876noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11737441.post-45777315041526014502012-03-12T08:44:18.181-05:002012-03-12T08:44:18.181-05:00d'OH!
"Joe Robertson" not "Robb...d'OH!<br />"<b>Joe</b> Robertson" not "Robbie Robertson."<br />One was a black man in the traditionally white job of newspaper editor, the other was, or is, a guitarist and songwriter, and namesake of the SON of Joe Robertson. Sigh. Time takes its toll on my memory.Accursed Interlopernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11737441.post-57759178630844032842012-03-12T06:55:26.820-05:002012-03-12T06:55:26.820-05:00I'm not surprised that Archie is more "fo...I'm not surprised that Archie is more "forward thinking" than the DCU or DCnU. After all, the series not only featured KISS, but had The Punisher as a <b>chaperone</b> for a Riverdale High sock hop.CobraMisfithttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08076556754472094027noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11737441.post-35331164895040548922012-03-09T18:35:16.220-05:002012-03-09T18:35:16.220-05:00Heh, thanks, Sally. Any chance to take a crack at ...Heh, thanks, Sally. Any chance to take a crack at Iris (from a safe distance!)...<br /><br />Sorry about almost killing you...<br /><br />Reminds me of the time I saved the life of Quaker sociologist and international peace advocate Elise Boulding when <b>she</b> was choking on a grape. Gotta watch out for grapes.Scipiohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12112155718721908876noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11737441.post-51941964248568680062012-03-09T16:01:02.717-05:002012-03-09T16:01:02.717-05:00And speaking of Iris West! "...I'm sure ...And speaking of Iris West! "...I'm sure she prefers her tongue-lashings to be metaphorical rather than literal..."<br /><br />Oh Scipio. I laughed and laughed. Unfortunately I was eating grapes, and almost choked to death...but it was WORTH it!SallyPhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05592635194271250605noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11737441.post-49211460528598514732012-03-09T15:16:39.372-05:002012-03-09T15:16:39.372-05:00"I am also aware that DC didn’t wait until in..."I am also aware that DC didn’t wait until integration and ‘miscegenation’ were no longer issues before showing black Americans with white ones in their stories; or am I wrong in that?"<br /><br />DC might have been waiting to see if Robbie Robertson could "get away with" being <i>not</i> an obese Pullman Porter with an Amos&Andy accent, or if Pvt. George Stonewall would survive his blood transfusion from Pvt. Gabriel Jones, back in Sgt. Fury #6 March 1964. <br />Innuddawoids, DC might have NOT been the real trend-setter on this particular front, back in the day.Accursed Interlopernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11737441.post-67401697310817802642012-03-09T13:12:12.941-05:002012-03-09T13:12:12.941-05:00Homophobes sure use some interesting rationalizati...Homophobes sure use some interesting rationalizations to justify their objections.<br /><br />"I don't want to see any sex! So there should not be any gay peeples in my comics!!"<br /><br />I feel the force of your remarks, Hoosier. It is common, however, the people might unthinkingly assume that ones sexuality is seen only, well, when one is having sex. <br /><br />But, of course, that is <b>not</b> the case. I've never seen Barry Allen and Iris West have sex -- or, for that matter, kiss, because, well, I don't think Iris does that. I'm sure she prefers her tongue-lashings to be metaphorical rather than literal. But I'm fully aware that both Barry and Iris are straight and are (or were in the Old Days) romantically involved, and eventually married.<br /><br />And that's really all I'm hoping to see someday in a DCU (non-Stormwatch, LOL) gay couple.Scipiohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12112155718721908876noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11737441.post-35660558407311546972012-03-09T13:05:11.956-05:002012-03-09T13:05:11.956-05:00"so why the F*** have you disabled the tag cl..."so why the F*** have you disabled the tag clouds that would allow us easier navigation?"<br /><br />Um... I have no earthly idea what this means. "Tag clouds" carries no meaning to me.<br /><br />I do sense that this is some kind of compliment, however, so I will choose not to be upset at your cursing me out on my own blog.<br /><br />If there are ways to make my blog more searchable, I am anxious to employ them, because I <b>myself</b> have a terrible time finding things on it, since Bloggers own keyword search functions seem to cut off after a certain number of returns.Scipiohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12112155718721908876noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11737441.post-67720352166148349362012-03-09T11:40:14.155-05:002012-03-09T11:40:14.155-05:00> 1) I give up: who on Earth-1 is "Arnie R...> 1) I give up: who on Earth-1 is "Arnie Roth"?<br /><br />An unambiguously gay friend of Captain America in the early 80s. :) <br />But seriously, there is over 6 years of wonderfully entertaining ruminations here so why the F*** have you disabled the tag clouds that would allow us easier navigation?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11737441.post-33549491388766501882012-03-09T11:07:59.584-05:002012-03-09T11:07:59.584-05:00Homophobes sure use some interesting rationalizati...Homophobes sure use some interesting rationalizations to justify their objections.<br /><br />"I don't want to see any sex! So there should not be any gay peeples in my comics!!"<br /><br />"Well, now, since we're giving gay peeples their own comics, how about a comic for Chilean tuba players with astigmatism! Burn!"<br /><br />DC should get a lot of credit for Batwoman. She's still an out lesbian and her current series kicks ass.<br /><br />(Which may be why it's easy to forget that it's part of "The New 52.")Hoosier Xhttp://mushtown.blogspot.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11737441.post-25848790432703251642012-03-09T07:39:41.107-05:002012-03-09T07:39:41.107-05:00Oh; interesting. I thought he was dead; is he non...Oh; interesting. I thought he was dead; is he non-dead now?Scipiohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16217376618860561999noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11737441.post-32594227377869901722012-03-09T06:48:04.470-05:002012-03-09T06:48:04.470-05:00Arnie Roth was a childhood friend of Steve Rogers,...Arnie Roth was a childhood friend of Steve Rogers, the future Captain America. He was a gay supporting character used from 1982-1985... not sure if he's too relevant to you, Scip, since you're more of a DC guy.Mr. Longhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05780516415936164616noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11737441.post-18796810287174860962012-03-08T19:01:20.688-05:002012-03-08T19:01:20.688-05:00Just the other day, I was reading the Armagideon T...Just the other day, I was reading the Armagideon Time's look at Tyroc, the Angry Black Man from the 30th century's Island of Angry Black People, which really puts into perspective how awkward DC's always been at handling changing societal norms.rnrknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11737441.post-49462167695423788642012-03-08T18:38:20.088-05:002012-03-08T18:38:20.088-05:00(1) I give up: who on Earth-1 is "Arnie Roth&...(1) I give up: who on Earth-1 is "Arnie Roth"?<br />(2) LOL, I had forgotten the "even a girl" post. But writing comics solely for teenage boys was what I though DC was trying to veer AWAY from.<br />(3) You're cooler than all those moms combined, Sally.<br />(4) I miss Todd & Damian, too.Scipiohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12112155718721908876noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11737441.post-20099339257997343432012-03-08T16:34:04.872-05:002012-03-08T16:34:04.872-05:00I'm a Mom, but I sure as heck don't belong...I'm a Mom, but I sure as heck don't belong to...that...organization. Incidentally, sales of the particular issue that has them all aflutter have skyrocketed.<br /><br />I miss Todd and Damian!SallyPhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05592635194271250605noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11737441.post-43698199981712441542012-03-08T14:36:23.927-05:002012-03-08T14:36:23.927-05:002 points
1. Arnie Roth in Captain America! That wa...2 points<br />1. Arnie Roth in Captain America! That was all kinds of awesome. And realistic to boot.<br /><br />2. Archie comics depict an idealized version of reality. And are actually read by girls! Superhero comics serve no such purpose. Weren't you the guy who pointed the genius of the Schuster many world explanation? [in some other world, Officer Gordon would be a villain! A gorilla! Or even a Girl!]Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11737441.post-19555359944246109342012-03-08T14:29:23.342-05:002012-03-08T14:29:23.342-05:00Unlikeliest of bedfellows, indeed. My mind reels a...Unlikeliest of bedfellows, indeed. My mind reels at the thought of you throwing your support behind the Rapacious Riverdalite (Riverdalean?). <br /><br />The new 52 is behind on representation, but to be fair, it's only seven months (or so) old (if you're speaking strictly of the new 52). I would point to Renee Montoya and Maggie Sawyer, but I'm not sure if they're still around now (plus it bugs me that they got shoehorned together at one point). Element Lad is a bit of a question mark still, I think. I'm not coming up with much else.Bryan Lnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11737441.post-59439183295380798892012-03-08T13:14:46.262-05:002012-03-08T13:14:46.262-05:00TOUCHE, Andrew: you are completely right, and they...TOUCHE, Andrew: you are <b>completely</b> right, and they had completely slipped my mind.Scipiohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12112155718721908876noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11737441.post-16192325640124300022012-03-08T13:08:31.219-05:002012-03-08T13:08:31.219-05:00Scipio said:
"There is, to my knowledge, no ...Scipio said: <br />"There is, to my knowledge, no one to point to in the New52."<br /><br />I don't read STORMWATCH, but isn't the premise of that book that it features Captain-Ersatz versions of Superman and Batman (Apollo and Midnighter, I think) who are gay and in a relationship?Andrewhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12484383731257187085noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11737441.post-2648718614948129202012-03-08T11:24:00.814-05:002012-03-08T11:24:00.814-05:00Well, you can choose to view it as "narrowcas...Well, you can choose to view it as "narrowcasting".<br /><br />I believe most people would perceive it as an attempt to <b>broaden</b> their audience.<br /><br />Beyond, you know, red-headed straight guys with two hot girlfriends. Who constitute way less than 5% of the potential audience.Scipiohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12112155718721908876noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11737441.post-44682472658315925882012-03-08T11:12:27.718-05:002012-03-08T11:12:27.718-05:00Oh look it's a three-fer:
Gay
Interracial
Mili...Oh look it's a three-fer:<br />Gay<br />Interracial<br />Military<br /><br />Carefully calculated by the polemicists to defuse any attacks as "anti-military" and "racist".<br /><br />I imagine 5% of the Archie audience is left-handed, too. Why don't they publish a whole series about how normal left-handers are?<br /><br />Don't publishers have a hard enough time these days? Why are they "narrowcasting" to niches?Odkinnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11737441.post-61624848990807439082012-03-08T10:24:48.377-05:002012-03-08T10:24:48.377-05:00ZOMG, you're right, he is totally a modern Blo...ZOMG, you're right, he is <b>totally</b> a modern Blockade Boy.<br /><br />Let's hope that, unlike Blockade Boy, he wasn't created just to die.Scipiohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12112155718721908876noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11737441.post-68902396410111283682012-03-08T09:57:00.806-05:002012-03-08T09:57:00.806-05:00Bunker in the Teen Titans is a gay male in the New...Bunker in the Teen Titans is a gay male in the New 52... though truth be told I only know about that from press releases, I haven't been reading Titans.<br /><br />Since it's Titans and a gay character, I thought it best to check before posting that Bunker hasn't been killed off since his debut. I think he's still alive, and apparently was originally going to be called "The Wall." So I'm calling it now, Bunker is the New 52 Earth version of Blockade Boy. Oh, that means that the whole NOWHERE thing in the Lobdell books is the New 52 version of the Super-Stalag from Space!Juggonoreply@blogger.com