tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11737441.post1472424064645576124..comments2024-03-27T19:04:14.544-05:00Comments on The Absorbascon: DC Reboots Christianity and 52 Other Things, TooScipiohttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16217376618860561999noreply@blogger.comBlogger24125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11737441.post-36672895769560673812011-11-05T07:32:18.024-05:002011-11-05T07:32:18.024-05:00It won't succeed as a matter of fact, that'...It won't succeed as a matter of fact, that's what I believe.<br /><a href="http://bookville.info" rel="nofollow">metal building</a>Malachinoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11737441.post-15671028623852691082011-07-01T02:25:15.543-05:002011-07-01T02:25:15.543-05:00None of this looks good to me. No Booster Gold bo...None of this looks good to me. No Booster Gold book. What's the JLI without the Martian Manhunter? (Or Ted Kord for that matter...if they're going back in time, he should be alive.) Stephanie Brown is gone. (So is Oracle, apparently.) And where does J'onn land? In the Stormwatch book. One big question mark.<br /><br />And how are we going to abbreviate "Justice League?" Just "JL?" I really miss that third letter. Why can't it be "JLA" anymore? Call me old-fashioned, but I like that patriotic ring of "Justice League of America." Now they're just..."Justice League of...nothing..."LissBirdshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17059648604602469375noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11737441.post-82508561225426114932011-06-20T23:14:25.830-05:002011-06-20T23:14:25.830-05:00A Superboy appears in Titans, yes.
But that whole...A Superboy appears in Titans, yes.<br /><br />But that whole "can a clone grow a conscience?" thing sounds like they're erasing all his character development.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11737441.post-51693103782806643432011-06-20T17:14:32.039-05:002011-06-20T17:14:32.039-05:00"They were, frankly, the also-rans who didn&#...<i>"They were, frankly, the also-rans who didn't have enough popularity to have their own books"</i><br /><br />Frankly, the same could be said of almost any super-hero team. Look at the Justice League of America. For the moment only considering the team from its inception up to the Detroit Era, look how many members never had their own book in that time: Martian Manhunter, Black Canary, Elongated Man, Red Tornado, Zatanna, Hawkgirl/woman. Aquaman only had his own book for roughly 9 years; Atom and Hawkman, less than that. Firestorm was without a solo book when he joined the JLA and only got one later. Even Green Lantern was without a solo book for several years. And the same could be said of the memberships of teams like the Avengers, Defenders, and pretty much any team; although it doesn't count when discussing teams comprised of members created for the team book itself, like the Fantastic Four and X-Men.TotalToyzhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17458868361840649001noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11737441.post-45757660536424081252011-06-18T15:07:25.390-05:002011-06-18T15:07:25.390-05:00The absence of the JSA also removes a lot of moder...The absence of the JSA also removes a lot of modern characters.mrjlhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03683082869179911101noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11737441.post-38602387355774950832011-06-18T13:37:22.369-05:002011-06-18T13:37:22.369-05:00With more exposure Alan Scott and Jay Garrick shou...With more exposure Alan Scott and Jay Garrick shouldn't be dismissed as has-been failures. They should be reinvented. Hal Jordan may have been my Green Lantern because of Super Friends, but Alan Scott was love at first sight. <br /><br />Infinity Inc. and subsequent bad story lines won't stop me from wanting the core concept as a schizophrenic man who made his own magic ring from a green meteor (stupid starheart retcon be damned) and brought justice in a Gotham that should of had an already established Batman where they team up and are uneasy with each other, but can grow to respect one another.<br /><br />I love Hal Jordan, but he'll never be Alan, he'll never have his cool origin, cool costume, villains (that's because Superman and Batman steal them) or supporting cast (they are all dead because of rampant aging so Hal can’t even befriend them). <br /><br />You know who definitely will never be Alan Scott? Jade and Obsidian. They're yuppie mutants lacking altruism and classic appeal. They appeal to others, but not me.Jimmyhttp://jimmythejiver@gmail.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11737441.post-5013003966719246682011-06-18T13:19:41.925-05:002011-06-18T13:19:41.925-05:00Ten years ago Superman debuts. Then Batman debuts....Ten years ago Superman debuts. Then Batman debuts. Other Golden Age characters debut. The Society form in Gotham. Wonder Woman joins. Most of them get kidnapped in a sting operation set up by Stormwatch.<br /><br />Wonder Woman and Hawkman didn't get captured. With the help of a reformed Society now called The League, Barry taking Jay's place, Hal for Alan and Ray for Al they do a rescue mission for the Society and other captured heroes and get them a pardon. Then Infinity Inc. members can get new origins like Huntress and the old concept can thrive on Earth-2 because they frankly aren't important to main Earth as The League is to The Society. <br /><br />This could all happen in 5 years. There's plenty of room for Silver Age characters without erasing and retiring Golden Age characters. No more aging, no more real time, no more FDR politics, no more War. The Society should be mystery men not government agents. The League should be its legacy not Infinity Inc.Jimmyhttp://jimmythejiver@gmail.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11737441.post-24026034697362596382011-06-18T10:36:53.324-05:002011-06-18T10:36:53.324-05:00"They were, frankly, the also-rans who didn&#..."They were, frankly, the also-rans who didn't have enough popularity to have their own books; one of the rules was, once you got your own book you LEFT the JSA. Yes, really."<br /><br />Hawkman was an also-ran? Them's fighting words!<br /><br />And the rule about leaving the team once you got your own book was eventually rescinded; the Flash and Green Lantern came back, Wonder Woman joined the team even though she already had her own book, and even Batman and Superman showed up for one adventure.<br /><br />"A DCU with no JSA is just wrong, wrongity wrong wrong."<br /><br />I agree; fortunately, there are several versions of the DCU that include the JSA that we can return to with pleasure. The Reboot-U does not preclude the existence of other, better DCUs.Steve Mitchellnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11737441.post-66095827605733725372011-06-17T21:51:12.228-05:002011-06-17T21:51:12.228-05:00A DCU with no JSA is just wrong, wrongity wrong wr...A DCU with no JSA is just wrong, wrongity wrong wrong. Not right. Hard to accept. Disconcerting. Unsatisfactory. And wrong. <br />...still...<br />A Lobo-free multiverse is something, iznit? Maybe I can grudgingly reluctantly come to accept it ... maybe, somehow, eventually.Accursed Interlopernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11737441.post-34949674618352188552011-06-17T17:43:09.045-05:002011-06-17T17:43:09.045-05:00I'm still not completely convinced we won'...I'm still not completely convinced we won't end up with a nearly centenarian Superman. Alan Moore made it work in Supreme, and Johns (the likely main architect of nu-Earth) clearly loves nothing better than retreading Moore's ideas.<br /><br />Of course, I'd prefer a Generational Superman Legacy, but that's too risky for this crew. Maybe for the next reboot, when the timeline from the old Superman 2020 backups will be ready-to-use...Jeff R.noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11737441.post-75392697593722660832011-06-17T15:25:26.991-05:002011-06-17T15:25:26.991-05:00On the one hand, I can't imagine a JSA that di...On the one hand, I can't imagine a JSA that didn't come first and wasn't tied to WWII in some fashion. That's kind of central to them. Even if they didn't fight Nazis directly that often, they were born of the great defining Manichean conflict of the twentieth century (at least that's what it is from America's perspective).<br /><br />On the other hand, in my mind, Kal-El from Krypton needs to be the first of superheroes.<br /><br />Here's how Anonymous is thinking we could have our cake and eat it too, and I admit even I think this is kind of idiotic. But has that ever stopped comics? NEVER!<br /><br />- Superman was the first hero, maybe as much as 15 years ago. Batman and Wonder Woman followed shortly after.<br /><br />- The first team to form was the JSA, which was a loose association of Alan Scotts, Jay Garricks, and so on. They met only occasionally, and their role was ill-defined. The Big Three worked with them on rare occasions.<br /><br />- The JSA got sent to WWII times by Dr. Convenient Time Shift and went on some covert missions for FDR, and eventually returned to the present (probably not exactly at the moment they left; maybe a two year gap occurred).<br /><br />- While the JSA was gone, Superman, Batman, and Wonder Woman took the JSA idea to the next level to form a JLA.<br /><br />- When the JSA returned, they expanded their deal in the model of the JLA.<br /><br />We're left with a JSA that is still fairly young yet fought in WWII, a Big Three who came first, a gap in time to allow for the development of legacy heroes, and no more pesky aging problems.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11737441.post-64427412224366373612011-06-17T12:36:16.657-05:002011-06-17T12:36:16.657-05:00I forgot to make my point.... ;)
The point is:
...I forgot to make my point.... ;)<br /><br />The point is:<br /><br /><b> the original</b> concept of the JSA is still very possible to introduce. And Mister Terrific would be a very likely candidate to start it up.Scipiohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12112155718721908876noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11737441.post-20744557159161304492011-06-17T12:34:26.009-05:002011-06-17T12:34:26.009-05:00Perhaps it is simply time to let those characters ...Perhaps it is simply time to let those characters rest. During the Silver and Bronze Ages those characters did not exist on "our Earth", and yet it kept spinning. The JSA only became "essential" comparatively recently.<br /><br />Besides the concept of the JSA -- the <b> original</b> JSA -- was NOT that they were Earth's greatest heroes, earliest heroes, legacy heroes, the original heroe team, or any such thing. In fact, quite the opposite. They were, frankly, the also-rans who didn't have enough popularity to have their own books; one of the rules was, once you got your own book you LEFT the JSA. Yes, really.<br /><br />Nor were the properly a 'team', in the way that we think of one today. They almost never fought <b>together</b>; they each tackled different parts of larger problem, designed specifically to give each one an opportunity for a small solo adventure. The JSA was essentially ...<br /><br />wait for it...<br /><br />an <b> anthology</b> title, one with a loose narrative to link the individual adventures together. They were not a TEAM; they were a Society.Scipiohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12112155718721908876noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11737441.post-19976291299977451432011-06-17T11:13:52.383-05:002011-06-17T11:13:52.383-05:00On the other hand, most of the JSA are gone if Sup...On the other hand, most of the JSA are gone if Superman is really the first super-hero.<br /><br />(Unless they/GMoz is going the Supreme route and having a literally ageless Superman who debuts in the 30's.)<br /><br />I mean, I suppose there's room for legacy nonpowered costumed types like the first Mr. Teriffic and the GA Sandman, but it'll be awfully hard to fit Jay Garrick or Alan Scott in a world where that description is true and Superman does debut somewhere around 10 years ago.Jeff R.noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11737441.post-70103921136263616782011-06-17T05:15:13.769-05:002011-06-17T05:15:13.769-05:00Connor isn't gone; as mentioned in the post, h...Connor isn't gone; as mentioned in the post, he's one of the stars of the Teen Titans title.Scipiohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12112155718721908876noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11737441.post-33339402508953391352011-06-16T22:20:16.154-05:002011-06-16T22:20:16.154-05:00Not to mention erasing characters. Looks like Kon-...Not to mention erasing characters. Looks like Kon-el/Conner Kent is...gone. :-(Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11737441.post-34406075762497905552011-06-16T21:05:01.251-05:002011-06-16T21:05:01.251-05:00No Booster? A small part of me has died.
Forget ...No Booster? A small part of me has died. <br /><br />Forget that, a large part. <br /><br />Aw well. This'll be an interesting development for DC, especially considering it erases/resets some major plot lines. <br /><br />Crossing fingers it delivers.CobraMisfithttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08076556754472094027noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11737441.post-71365622660754066962011-06-16T16:49:53.307-05:002011-06-16T16:49:53.307-05:00I tell ya whut, this actually looks like a good ju...I tell ya whut, this actually looks like a good jumping-on point for the Batman family. Between Tomasi on "Batman and Robin" and Simone on "Batgirl", I may not have any choice but to take the plunge.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11737441.post-90171058815337713972011-06-16T15:44:38.428-05:002011-06-16T15:44:38.428-05:00I'm alternating between euphoria (Blue Beetle ...I'm alternating between euphoria (Blue Beetle and Resurrection Man and All-Star Western) and terror (Deathstroke and Hawk & Dove). Oh, and some of the other books look interesting too.SallyPhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05592635194271250605noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11737441.post-34431965501092283732011-06-16T14:49:46.912-05:002011-06-16T14:49:46.912-05:00"The Legion never needs to be anything differ..."The Legion never needs to be anything different than what it always is."<br /><br />Strong truth, that.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11737441.post-14915825881161657802011-06-16T14:47:06.235-05:002011-06-16T14:47:06.235-05:00Oh, and as a huge Kirby fan, I totally agree. Leav...Oh, and as a huge Kirby fan, I totally agree. Leave OMAC alone. Leave the New Gods alone. Just let 'em be. They're done. It's okay. A few of Kirby's characters could still work (I'm convinced that a well-made "Kamandi" book would be great, and could even sell to the regular folks out there), but the Fourth World and OMAC? Nah. <br /><br />The World That's Coming has gone.Harvey Jerkwaterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07118848012122050416noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11737441.post-38271371417021317532011-06-16T14:44:33.018-05:002011-06-16T14:44:33.018-05:00They jettisoned the Golden Age at last: no more JS...They jettisoned the Golden Age at last: no more JSA book, Sgt. Rock and the Blackhawks are in the modern day. Leave the Big One in the past, where it belongs. That'll help with the rolling timeline problems a heck of a lot.<br /><br />I'm kind of stoked that DC took the artistic risk of adapting a Jim Thompson novel into a comic, but the 1990 Stephen Frears movie version of it was so good that I can kinda see it. Is that dude with the red hanky over his face the John Cusack character? Regardless, good on ya, DC.<br /><br />The Red Lanterns, led by a monstrous-looking immortal beast named "Atrocitus," are a group of aliens whose power to destroy manifests in <i>rage-fueled blood-vomit</i>. Is that the most Metal concept in mainstream comic book history? On a scale of one to Slayer, that's at least a Danzig. If "Red Lantern" could be shown to twelve year old boys across the nation, I'd wager it to be a license to print money.Harvey Jerkwaterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07118848012122050416noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11737441.post-17836724737228118352011-06-16T13:51:10.051-05:002011-06-16T13:51:10.051-05:00Yes, I thought that was an odd change myself.Yes, I thought that was an odd change myself.Scipiohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16217376618860561999noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11737441.post-65966722291691968442011-06-16T13:35:38.907-05:002011-06-16T13:35:38.907-05:00I really really hate that they made King Shark a h...I really really hate that they made King Shark a hammerhead.Bonehead XLhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04545161927886923285noreply@blogger.com