tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11737441.post652718575706489275..comments2024-03-27T19:04:14.544-05:00Comments on The Absorbascon: The Dark Knight: Bruce WayneScipiohttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16217376618860561999noreply@blogger.comBlogger18125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11737441.post-41971546959853127092011-11-26T03:30:21.120-05:002011-11-26T03:30:21.120-05:00It won't truly have success, I consider this w...It won't truly have success, I consider this way.<br /><a href="http://www.staffingagenciesindallastx.com" rel="nofollow"> staffing agency</a> | <a href="http://www.kidneystonesindogs.com" rel="nofollow">Kidney Stones In Dogs</a> | <a href="http://www.attcouponcode.net" rel="nofollow">att coupons</a>Rogernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11737441.post-85078881564730694222008-08-16T10:32:00.000-05:002008-08-16T10:32:00.000-05:00Completely off track of any serious discussion, I'...Completely off track of any serious discussion, I've been wondering....<BR/><BR/>Does Bruce Wayne actually sleep with some (or all) of the many bimbos that decorate his arms? <BR/><BR/>If so, how does he explain all the bruises, cuts, and old scars? I mean, sure, extreme sports will explain some of it, but unless you suck at them, most extreme sports don't make you look like a professional punching bag all the time. <BR/><BR/>And if he doesn't sleep with them, shouldn't the tabloids be speculating quite a lot about his sexuality by now? I mean, some of the girls might make up "My Wild Night with Billionaire" stories to sell, but you'd think at least one or two might go to the tabloids complaining that Wayne is really looking for a beard, not a girlfriend.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11737441.post-63324601818437837242008-08-13T15:11:00.000-05:002008-08-13T15:11:00.000-05:00Scipio:Why do you say that the concept of Batman o...Scipio:<BR/><BR/>Why do you say that the concept of Batman overshadowing Bruce Wayne is "revisionist?"<BR/><BR/>My memory of the seminal Bat-issues (hmm, sounds dirty) is that Batman's war on crime is designated as an unending task, at least from the "Dirigle of Doom" story with the snippet of origin. It's often been compared with the earlier Phantom origin, wherein another costumed guy vows eternal war on evil. The bit about finding the Waynes' killer doesn't even come in at first.<BR/><BR/>It's true that the specific manifestation of this as Bruce Wayne being only a cover for an almost Platonic Batman is not around in early adventures. Bruce Wayne certainly enjoys being Bruce Wayne in his off-hours, the way a cop enjoys letting his hair down. <BR/><BR/>But the earliest I can recall Batman being tempted to step down is "Robin Dies at Dawn," and that's because he can't do his duty, not for personal satisfaction.<BR/><BR/>IMO the argument that Nolan-Batman wants to quit because he's causing more trouble than good is made in only the muddiest of manners.Gene Phillipshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11495562795211277146noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11737441.post-63114128105996871012008-08-12T21:37:00.000-05:002008-08-12T21:37:00.000-05:00I'm not sure I remember the timeline correctly, bu...I'm not sure I remember the timeline correctly, but since Joker was already captured at the end of the film it seems he wouldn't work as a scapegoat. I'm assuming part of the crimes blamed on Batman would be Harvey's death or injury?<BR/><BR/>Also, a lot would depend on whether it was publicly known that the cops that were killed were crooked. That changes Batman from crazy to ruthless in the public eye.Ken Waldenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07210855761468730158noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11737441.post-15360100653292046312008-08-12T15:38:00.000-05:002008-08-12T15:38:00.000-05:00A thought I had the other day: at DC it's your vir...A thought I had the other day: at DC it's your virtues that make you decide to be a hero; at Marvel it's your failings that make you decide to be a hero. I have no idea whether that's an original notion; it's probably something Scipio said years ago and has been rolling around in my mind.<BR/><BR/>Anyway, the "Batman is crazy" thing completely misses the fact that Batman will go to great lengths to save the innocent or even the not-so-innocent. That's not madness, that's altruism and compassion and empathy.<BR/><BR/>The murder of the Waynes didn't break Bruce Wayne; it forced him to recognize the value of human life, and inspired a desire to keep others from suffering. Contrast with, say, Frank Castiglione (Castle), who saw his family murdered and it made him decide to kill all the killers. Not much respect for life there.<BR/><BR/>Scip, ever pick up a copy of "Detective Comics 500" (circa 1980)? I think we have there the very first look at Earth-8, in a story where the Phantom Stranger sends the Earth-1 Batman and Robin to another world to try to save Thomas and Martha Wayne. This is a world without a heroic tradition -- no Robin Hoods, no Gilgameshii -- and what's more, the star that Krypton orbits cannot be found in that universe. Anyway, Batman saves the Waynes, but it's nonetheless a formative experience for young Bruce; we are told he will still put on a bat costume someday, but out of gratitude for the mysterious dude who saved his parents, and a desire to save others. I will consider that proof positive that Bruce Wayne is all about respecting life, not working through childhood traumas.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11737441.post-72399511616873181422008-08-12T12:44:00.000-05:002008-08-12T12:44:00.000-05:00The police were about to close in on the person wh...The police were about to close in on the person who kidnapped Gordon & family and killed the cops, right? Batman was running from them at the end of the scene. While everyone's explanation as to why Batman lets his reputation be sullied is great, I assumed he took such drastic action because they needed someone to blame for the murders right then and there.<BR/><BR/>Batman becoming a scapegoat makes sense in the context of the movie. He was losing public support due to the Joker's crimes, he attacked a SWAT team, the people on the ferries saved themselves without his help... The Gotham police could easily portray him as crazy, and the murders being the culmination of his insanity.<BR/><BR/>If I were Nolan, I'd bring Dent back in the sequel, and have Gordon's cover-up revealed to the public.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11737441.post-12450331538160016162008-08-12T12:04:00.000-05:002008-08-12T12:04:00.000-05:00Quote: "I blame Marvel."Scipio. You should use tha...Quote: "I blame Marvel."<BR/><BR/>Scipio. You should use that statement more often. Even when they're not to blame...it just sounds right.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11737441.post-76539995199737923622008-08-12T11:23:00.000-05:002008-08-12T11:23:00.000-05:00LOL...Okay good to know I am not going batty...pun...LOL...Okay good to know I am not going batty...pun intendedGuys' Guyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18421035846514281809noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11737441.post-47529289627833348932008-08-12T10:35:00.000-05:002008-08-12T10:35:00.000-05:00I am. My take? The usual Morrison.I am. My take? The usual Morrison.Scipiohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16217376618860561999noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11737441.post-11254770488441740112008-08-12T09:16:00.000-05:002008-08-12T09:16:00.000-05:00Scipio...Are you reading the R.I.P. storyline? Cu...Scipio...Are you reading the R.I.P. storyline? Curious after reading this entry...what your take is on that storyline? It confuses the hell out of me...especially since the only other shoot of comic that follows along is Robin...even though Nightwing, Detective & Outsiders are supposed to too...but Detective is about Hush, Nightwing is protecting some chick Harvey asked him to...Robin is the only one that even address the fact that Batman is missing and he may be crazy...SO I was curious of your outlook...as I know I am confused.Guys' Guyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18421035846514281809noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11737441.post-49600446962899605032008-08-12T07:56:00.000-05:002008-08-12T07:56:00.000-05:00Nate, are you still in town? I could use your hel...Nate, are you still in town? I could use your help fixing the wireless at the store. Welch and I couldn't get it to work... .Scipiohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16217376618860561999noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11737441.post-78360511050725171552008-08-12T07:46:00.000-05:002008-08-12T07:46:00.000-05:00"I am still pondering the difference between the w..."I am still pondering the difference between the way Harvey acts, and the way Gordon acts."<BR/><BR/>I think the key is something written here earlier... Gordon is realistically pragmatic and willing to live in the shades of gray. Dent demands everything be black and white, which is one of the reasons he cracks.Rob Pughhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18355643989278053777noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11737441.post-77559623071593122052008-08-12T07:36:00.000-05:002008-08-12T07:36:00.000-05:00I don't quite know who to blame.Symbolically, Batm...I don't quite know who to blame.<BR/><BR/>Symbolically, Batman has to both pay for his sin of using the (who named this?) bat-sonar, and since he used it also has to separate himself from connection with orthodox authorities that might be degraded by easily being able to whistle up illegitimate force. Which of course is not their job: they must use <I>legitimate</I> force.<BR/><BR/>So a commenter friend of mine basically said, and I think I agree.<BR/><BR/>I am still pondering the difference between the way Harvey acts, and the way Gordon acts. By the way, thanks for this series, Scipio. But I hope once we've done the Joker, that still won't quite be the end.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11737441.post-14738574420583152422008-08-12T07:08:00.000-05:002008-08-12T07:08:00.000-05:00A few nights ago I was having a discussion with a ...A few nights ago I was having a discussion with a friend of mine - not a comic book fan - who insisted that Batman was a) not a hero but an antihero, and b) insane. He claimed, for instance, that Batman would rather maim a criminal before turning him over to the cops than not, given any excuse to do so. I tried to set him straight but I don't think he bought it.<BR/><BR/>I blame Frank Miller.Matthew Ehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01007497367844755093noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11737441.post-34126471618789233242008-08-12T06:46:00.000-05:002008-08-12T06:46:00.000-05:00Nolan truly did use the characters well.Now if he ...Nolan truly did use the characters well.<BR/><BR/>Now if he could only direct a fight scene...Natehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08558559691963639123noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11737441.post-28141226107058251552008-08-12T06:40:00.000-05:002008-08-12T06:40:00.000-05:00Bruce saw that having the police believe Batman wa...Bruce saw that having the police believe Batman was a murderer would <B>help</B> in his fighting crime.<BR/><BR/>Remember when Batman had the one gang boss hanging upside down three stories up? "You won't kill me!" the mob boss said. "Everyone knows the Bat doesn't kill!".<BR/><BR/>Right there, all of the threats implicit in being a scarey creature of the night disappear. Okay, you might get a broken leg or two, but you'll survive an encounter with the Bat. He has no power over you.<BR/><BR/>But now, there are <I>bodies</I>. The cops <I>know</I> they were killed by the Bat.<BR/><BR/>And suddenly, any encounter with him could cost you your life. You'd <B>better</B> tell him what he wants.<BR/><BR/>I thought it was a brilliant piece of writing.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11737441.post-31486502047301923212008-08-12T06:02:00.000-05:002008-08-12T06:02:00.000-05:00Rob- my opinion is, in part, that Bruce is already...Rob- my opinion is, in part, that Bruce is already accepting that he is part of the problem. Not only is he inspiring criminals like the Joker, but he's inspiring citizen vigilantes, making things even more dangerous. By openly criminalizing himself, he's not only saving Harvey's reputation, but sullying his own, turning him back to his original purpose- someone to fear, not to admire.<BR/><BR/>HCAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11737441.post-57556810920979391882008-08-12T05:26:00.000-05:002008-08-12T05:26:00.000-05:00Deft analysis, as with the others.Answer me this t...Deft analysis, as with the others.<BR/><BR/>Answer me this though, it's a plot hole I haven't cracked yet [or I'm an idiot, take your pick.]<BR/><BR/>Why do they have Batman take the rap for Dent? In the chaos it would've been just as easy to lay the blame on the Joker. Am I the only one who sees this? Or am I missing something? It's an interesting dramatic move, but doesn't make sense.Rob Pughhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18355643989278053777noreply@blogger.com