tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11737441.post4056207492194359305..comments2024-03-27T19:04:14.544-05:00Comments on The Absorbascon: Flash RebirthScipiohttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16217376618860561999noreply@blogger.comBlogger40125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11737441.post-79494842520171880102020-03-17T23:28:02.036-05:002020-03-17T23:28:02.036-05:00I now own a business of my own with the help of El...I now own a business of my own with the help of Elegantloanfirm with a loan of $900,000.00 USD. at 2% rate charges, at first i taught with was all a joke until my loan request was process under five working days and my requested funds was transfer to me. am now a proud owner of a large business with 15 staffs working under me. All thanks to the loan officer Russ Harry he is a God sent, you can contact them to improve your business on.. email-- Elegantloanfirm@hotmail.com.AIB FUNDING.https://www.blogger.com/profile/04333737841328528475noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11737441.post-80884841744449264792009-04-15T16:09:00.000-05:002009-04-15T16:09:00.000-05:00Dan the place where people couldn't believe Barry ...Dan the place where people couldn't believe Barry was back was in Final Crisis. <br /><br />He and Wally have a conversation about how he could have come back, Jay explains that he's back to the Flash wives and even Supes is stunned when they run the Black Racer into Darkseid. <br /><br />You can blame DC for putting all that in a completely different comic, but that's where it is.Eldesthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08642130441258717913noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11737441.post-86054293822517910292009-04-12T14:24:00.000-05:002009-04-12T14:24:00.000-05:00And, yet, one of the complaints people are making ...<I>And, yet, one of the complaints people are making is, "Why wasn't this more joyous?"<BR/><BR/>Why? Because Barry is still the same serious stick in the mud he always was.</I><BR/><BR/>That's Geoff Johns's fault. There are ways to present a straightlaced person without making them humorless. The trick is that Barry needs someone with whom he confides.<BR/><BR/>For example, we've all had straightlaced bosses or teachers who were always serious and all business. But if you knew that person outside of work, you'd know that person had a sense of humor and enjoyed himself. But he didn't show it around many other people. Barry's that way. He's serious because he's in a serious business. <BR/><BR/>Johns should be using Barry's longtime friends to show that less stoic side. If he doesn't, Barry's gonna have a hard time selling books.Dan Preecenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11737441.post-15680278992655940182009-04-12T14:17:00.000-05:002009-04-12T14:17:00.000-05:00In fact, that sounds... rather boring. But then, I...<I>In fact, that sounds... rather boring. But then, I'm old-fashioned enough to read a comic for plot, action, and mystery. Like murders in the crime lab. Skull-faced mystery speedsters. Corpses in the cornfield. Superhero's powers running amok for no apparent reason. Iris's dog. Stuff like that.</I><BR/><BR/>I don't see how anything I posted conflicts with what you're saying. <BR/><BR/>And I'm pretty sure "mystery" is exactly what I was talking about.<BR/><BR/><I>One of the reasons Flash stories always bored me was because they were so SLOW. I don't want to spend time watching Barry figure anything out, I want to watch the Flash figure things out. </I><BR/><BR/>That's precisely why I kept getting bored with Wally's run. After Baron stopped as writer, it seemed the only time I saw Wally in costume was on the cover. Inside, one endless drama about Wally's personal life and not enough of Flash solving problems.<BR/><BR/>The only reason to bring Barry back is to FOCUS ON BARRY. I don't see these characters as nothing but costumes and powers. Maybe you do. Maybe that's what thrills you. But I'm at the point where I'm interested in the people inside the costumes. Which should not be confused with wanting to read about them out of their costumes. Nothing I suggested means it has to be done with Barry out of uniform. That was just your assumption.<BR/><BR/><B>I was suggesting a storyline where Barry would be CRIME FIGHTING on one hand, and trying to ease his way back into his life on the other. HEADLINE: "Trickster captured by big red blur!" And Wally knowing it wasn't him. Superman seeing TWO red blurs rushing to solve a crime, and can't figure out who that second one is (because he can't run fast enough to see his face). That sorta thing. </B><BR/><BR/>What we got instead was a complete skipping over of all the REALISTIC parts of coming back from the dead. Just because WE THE READER knows Barry's back shouldn't automatically mean the whole DCU knows he's back. That time will come.<BR/><BR/>Instead, we're getting the WORST of the Silver Age era... like stupid parades and junk. <BR/><BR/>I was BORED with Flash:Rebirth #1. There was no point in having a "rebirth" story if you're going to just SKIP TO THE END.Dan Preecenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11737441.post-72233026709943606422009-04-07T23:28:00.000-05:002009-04-07T23:28:00.000-05:00"Well, I could definitely have done without the ex..."Well, I could definitely have done without the excess of "Where's Poochie?" speeches about Barry's wonderfulness."<BR/><BR/>And, yet, one of the complaints people are making is, "Why wasn't this more joyous?" <BR/><BR/>Why? Because Barry is still the same serious stick in the mud he always was.Scipiohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16217376618860561999noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11737441.post-69060364080165109962009-04-07T12:45:00.000-05:002009-04-07T12:45:00.000-05:00Help! I'm trapped in a loop, clicking on the link ...Help! I'm trapped in a loop, clicking on the link at the end of the third paragraph over and over again.Lionel Lealhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12173222740406019703noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11737441.post-64330536764863697532009-04-06T20:55:00.000-05:002009-04-06T20:55:00.000-05:00Well, I could definitely have done without the exc...Well, I could definitely have done without the excess of "Where's Poochie?" speeches about Barry's wonderfulness.Jack Norrishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05347116217773724467noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11737441.post-81385918343698406442009-04-06T10:29:00.000-05:002009-04-06T10:29:00.000-05:00Re : Fictive SpeculatorI don't think that's the co...Re : Fictive Speculator<BR/><BR/>I don't think that's the core of the mischaracterization - Bart's never really been a fan of Wally. They have a failed mentor/mentee relationship. So while Bart may be miffed at Max not being back, for him to suddenly assert Wally as the true Flash over "Grandpa Barry" is downright bizarre.CandidGamera :https://www.blogger.com/profile/04751863192933490300noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11737441.post-47279961963218143822009-04-06T10:19:00.000-05:002009-04-06T10:19:00.000-05:00It seemed to me that Bart was bratty about one thi...It seemed to me that Bart was bratty about one thing--that some people come back from the Speed Force and some don't. While he may have "known" Barry from his VR youth, he truly knew Max Mercury, who was the closest thing he ever had to a father. Bart has come back somehow. Wally has come back. Even Barry has come back. But despite this pattern, Max has not, and Bart is affronted by the unfairness of it. That may sound juvenile, or bratty, but at its core is a logical question that the illogic of comics avoids--why do some people come back and some don't? (Because the writers decide!) Maybe Bart will get an answer to this or perhaps Max will come back, but I think he has every reason in the world to be a little snarky.Fred Perryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13258734931911133271noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11737441.post-68989972457576226552009-04-06T10:07:00.000-05:002009-04-06T10:07:00.000-05:00"Wally absolutely deserves credit for his history ..."Wally absolutely deserves credit for his history as Kid Flash and later as the Flash -- anyone who were to see him as just a temp would, in an ideal world, be institutionalized and neutered."<BR/><BR/>Would that be Adolf Hitler's ideal world?steve mitchellnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11737441.post-56671828060435844382009-04-06T08:08:00.000-05:002009-04-06T08:08:00.000-05:00Cheers Toyz, good research!Cheers Toyz, good research!Martin Grayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09574149543260175962noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11737441.post-14664785643016438142009-04-06T03:43:00.000-05:002009-04-06T03:43:00.000-05:00The problem with trying to gauge Barry's black-and...The problem with trying to gauge Barry's black-and-whiteitude is that his big enemies <I>were</I> typically incorrigible criminals -- if he doubted the Weather Wizard was suddenly changing his ways, it had everything to do with a long history of the Weather Wizard trying to kill people in the course of bank robberies.<BR/><BR/>That said, I don't think it's a stretch that a guy with a patient demeanor and police training would acknowledge shades of grey among those who break the law. And for the record, the best way to interpret Mopee is that Barry was humoring the Earth-1 Julius Schwartz through a psychotic episode, rather than locking him up or going all Joe Friday by-the-book on him.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11737441.post-20924582855204707732009-04-05T20:55:00.000-05:002009-04-05T20:55:00.000-05:00Nevertheless, I stand by the notion that Barry All...<I>Nevertheless, I stand by the notion that Barry Allen had compassion and didn't see criminals as simply scumbags. Anyone got evidence of that?</I><BR/><BR/>Actually, I recall a story that may be evidence to the contrary. It was a Flash story done in one of the "Dollar Sized" (sigh; remember when that meant <I>big</I>?) issues of <I>Adventure Comics</I>. The Weather Wizard had apparently reformed and was using his weather wand to do good deeds. Barry couldn't believe it was possible for this career criminal to change and figured something must be wrong. (Which, of course, it was; sunspot activity was messing with WW's mind through his weather-wand.)TotalToyzhttp://members.ebay.com/aboutme/totaltoyznoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11737441.post-38352775622196237632009-04-05T17:54:00.000-05:002009-04-05T17:54:00.000-05:00Where did I get the idea Barry cared enough about ...Where did I get the idea Barry cared enough about people to try and help his foes get back on the right path? Can't rightly tell you at the moment - perhaps it was Bill Loebs' Wally issue in which he attended a Rogues party (19), maybe it was the Life Story of the Flash, it could just have been a recent comment in a story (which would still make it more canonical than Barry as son of a murdered mother, which directly contradicts stuff we've seen - I read dozens of Sixties Barry stories as a kid, and read the last 110 or so as they appeared).<BR/><BR/>In the absence of a citation though, I'll cheerfully withdraw the assertion. Nevertheless, I stand by the notion that Barry Allen had compassion and didn't see criminals as simply scumbags. Anyone got evidence of that?Martin Grayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09574149543260175962noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11737441.post-6915507897403438412009-04-04T14:38:00.000-05:002009-04-04T14:38:00.000-05:00Not for me, I'm afraid - typical, tedious DC gore ...Not for me, I'm afraid - typical, tedious DC gore and violence. Suddenly Barry has Dexter's origin (and I don't mean Myles!)? Johns always appears to be recreating 1982 but can't seem to resist his slasher/serial killer motifs. <BR/> I also thought the cover was poorly designed; why show the Fastest Man Alive putting his shoes on? What's dynamic about that?Dougienoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11737441.post-45438999917818366312009-04-04T13:55:00.000-05:002009-04-04T13:55:00.000-05:00"Thank you for at least admitting that Wally was B...<I>"Thank you for at least admitting that Wally was Barry's successor and not just the temp that DC hired while Barry was on vacation."</I><BR/><BR/>Wally absolutely deserves credit for his history as Kid Flash and later as the Flash -- anyone who were to see him as just a temp would, in an ideal world, be institutionalized and neutered.<BR/><BR/>But he has nonetheless been filling in for Barry, and now he doesn't need to. And I'm wondering if there's an interesting trend building: we know the Flashes are going to form an ongoing legacy for a thousand years or longer, and I wonder if the Flashes are going to find themselves as the ongoing caretakers of new generations of heroes? Jay certainly cleaves to it, Barry was a natural role model. Now Wally ... Wally was a poor guide for Bart, but now that he has kids of his own <I>and</I> doesn't have to fill in for Barry, maybe he'll find himself taking to the role as well? I could think of worse "meta" roles for the Flashes than to usher in new generations of heroes. That's what Barry did with his first appearance, after all.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11737441.post-85452328457630897052009-04-04T12:47:00.000-05:002009-04-04T12:47:00.000-05:00"I don't want to spend time watching Barry figure ...<I>"I don't want to spend time watching Barry figure anything out, I want to watch the Flash figure things out."</I><BR/><BR/>Damn straight. One thing that's always worried me about "Barry coming back" is just that -- so many people seemed to focus on Barry, Barry, Barry. If Barry is coming back, I want him to be the Flash. I want a superhero story. I'm not interested in Barry running around "introducing himself to old friends." That sounds excruciating.<BR/><BR/>Luckily, Geoff Johns knows how to do a fast paced superhero story. Like you said, there's mystery villains and corpses in fields. What more could a person ask for?Diamondrockhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03489418142341597119noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11737441.post-9377611943655240442009-04-04T12:25:00.000-05:002009-04-04T12:25:00.000-05:00"I would MUCH rather be reading a storyline where ...<I>"I would MUCH rather be reading a storyline where Barry's return is unknown to anybody, and that he spends some time trying to figure out the best way to reintroduce himself to old friends."</I><BR/><BR/>Hm. That doesn't sound particularly exciting to me.<BR/><BR/>In fact, that sounds... rather boring. But then, I'm old-fashioned enough to read a comic for plot, action, and mystery. Like murders in the crime lab. Skull-faced mystery speedsters. Corpses in the cornfield. Superhero's powers running amok for no apparent reason. Iris's dog. Stuff like that.<BR/><BR/>One of the reasons Flash stories always bored me was because they were so SLOW. I don't want to spend time watching Barry figure anything out, I want to watch the <B>Flash</B> figure things out.Scipiohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16217376618860561999noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11737441.post-42840448760243836752009-04-04T11:29:00.000-05:002009-04-04T11:29:00.000-05:00A BIG THUMBS DOWN.Why is it just a ho-hum atmosphe...A BIG THUMBS DOWN.<BR/><BR/>Why is it just a ho-hum atmosphere that Barry's back from the DEAD? Marvel & DC have overused this story so much that EVERYBODY is bored by it. The writers, the readers, hell even the characters are blaise about it all!<BR/><BR/>I would MUCH rather be reading a storyline where Barry's return is unknown to anybody, and that he spends some time trying to figure out the best way to reintroduce himself to old friends. Much more suspense that way.<BR/><BR/>Flash: Rebirth #1 is just BORING.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11737441.post-79135285162340189422009-04-04T09:19:00.000-05:002009-04-04T09:19:00.000-05:00"Which isn't true, Barry had compassion, and as Fl..."Which isn't true, Barry had compassion, and as Flash would try to rehabilitate his foes."<BR/><BR/>Oh, really?<BR/><BR/>When?<BR/><BR/>Sometimes I wonder where exactly people are getting their impressions of what Barry was like. It seems mostly from discussions about him <B>after</B> he became sainted. Certainly not from his Silver Age stories...Scipiohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16217376618860561999noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11737441.post-33609427439293482882009-04-04T01:05:00.000-05:002009-04-04T01:05:00.000-05:00> If it was all la-di-da joy > there wouldn&...> If it was all la-di-da joy <BR/>> there wouldn't be much <BR/>> of a story.<BR/><BR/>I think that's a false dichotomy - take all the joy away from the character OR "all la-di-da joy." <BR/><BR/>I think you can have a good superhero story without the hero so absorbed by angst on his first day back that he turns his back on his family and friends.Spectrum Bearnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11737441.post-6039632717534890522009-04-03T19:46:00.000-05:002009-04-03T19:46:00.000-05:00"It seems like they're taking away all the joy fro...<I>"It seems like they're taking away all the joy from the characters, on what should be a joyous occasion.</I><BR/><BR/>If it was all la-di-da joy there wouldn't be much of a story. I for one would be pretty annoyed if this was five issues of people dancing around being happy that Barry was back.<BR/><BR/>That may be what some hardcore Barry fans are interested in, but I'm in this for a good superhero story.Diamondrockhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03489418142341597119noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11737441.post-21327782533424291742009-04-03T18:00:00.000-05:002009-04-03T18:00:00.000-05:00I wish I could agree. But I found the characteriza...I wish I could agree. But I found the characterization off. If they wanted to justify Bart being down on Barry (after years of him yearning for contact with his sainted grandfather), they should have had Barry actually DO something that disappointed Bart's expectations - not merely attribute this emotion to Bart with no convincing explanation (IMHO).<BR/><BR/>As for Barry, he has always been very family-orineted and community-oriented. Loved his wife, cared about his nephew, had close friends, was committed to his city. Everybody thought he was dead for years. Now he's going to blow off their celebrations - and their feelings - because of a deep-seated, angsty feeling that he has to do something else, even though he's not sure what? That's not very Barry.<BR/><BR/>It seems like they're taking away all the joy from the characters, on what should be a joyous occasion.Spectrum Bearnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11737441.post-87847195387442528002009-04-03T13:25:00.000-05:002009-04-03T13:25:00.000-05:00"...because apparently Wally hasn't been himself a...<I>"...because apparently Wally hasn't been himself all these years?"</I><BR/><BR/>He's been "Barry's successor" more than you might recognize. It's been the elephant in the room, vibrating at exactly the right frequency to make it difficult to see sometimes:<BR/><BR/>- For the first eight or so years after Barry died, Wally was way slower; he only got his speed back when he realized he was subconsciously making an effort to not supplant Barry. Even after that, Wally encountered Barry a couple more times via the magic of time travel, and it was never ever a peer relationship between the two (at least from Wally's perspective).<BR/><BR/>- The Rogue's Gallery is composed of Barry's old foes.<BR/><BR/>- Wally can't go two issues of first-person narration without bringing up memories of Barry.<BR/><BR/>- Hell, Wally even wears Barry's old costume (with only the tiniest modifications).Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11737441.post-80653885222684328472009-04-03T13:15:00.000-05:002009-04-03T13:15:00.000-05:00"If only Hal had hit him up for a loan, it would h..."If only Hal had hit him up for a loan, it would have been perfect."<BR/><BR/>I would have preferred it if while they were walking through the museum, Barry's nervous vibrations accidentally loosened a ceiling tile that would have come crashing down on Hal's head.<BR/><BR/>A <B>yellow</B> ceiling tile.Scipiohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16217376618860561999noreply@blogger.com