tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11737441.post116766847845588399..comments2024-03-27T19:04:14.544-05:00Comments on The Absorbascon: Okay! Clear my calendar!Scipiohttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16217376618860561999noreply@blogger.comBlogger16125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11737441.post-1168526329353639412007-01-11T09:38:00.000-05:002007-01-11T09:38:00.000-05:00I won't comment on Winnick, since my dislike of hi...I won't comment on Winnick, since my dislike of his work in general doesn't give me an objective opinion of his dialogue, however...<BR/><BR/>I think that my favorite is John Ostrander. I really felt that he made each of his characters have a distinct voice (even if it may have been an annoying one, like on the old Firestorm). That is probably why, after he left Hawkworld/Hawkman, no one else has felt like they had the right Katar Hol, and no one else seems to me to get the right Suicide Squad.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11737441.post-1168169256356622592007-01-07T06:27:00.000-05:002007-01-07T06:27:00.000-05:00One of the things about Ben Grimm's way of speakin...One of the things about Ben Grimm's way of speaking is that it remains distinctive even when you take away the phonetical spelling. In the Dutch translations of Fantastic Four comics for example, they always render anybody's speech in grammatically correct Dutch, yet the difference between the Thing and Reed Richards is still quite clear.Martin Wissehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04612094541576041276noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11737441.post-1167879653302060742007-01-03T22:00:00.000-05:002007-01-03T22:00:00.000-05:00[quote]"The hell?" Has anyone ever heard those two...[quote]"The hell?" Has anyone ever heard those two words spoken aloud? [/quote]<BR/><BR/>Yes, all the time? And also "the F***?" and starting questions WITH Hell or the F-word and letting you figure out the what/where/when/who from context. <BR/><BR/>Bemused: "Hell is wrong with her?"<BR/><BR/>Looking at wreckage: "Hell happened in here?!"<BR/><BR/>etc.<BR/><BR/>"What the - " seems much more artificial to me, cutting away from the curse word. <BR/><BR/>I'm from Philadelphia and I'm chock full of regionalisms, though.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11737441.post-1167802617727263222007-01-03T00:36:00.000-05:002007-01-03T00:36:00.000-05:00I just re-read the recent Suicide Squad arc in Che...I just re-read the recent Suicide Squad arc in <I>Checkmate</I>, and I really enjoyed how Rucka remembered to give the characters distinct accents.<BR/><BR/>Yes, I know it's somewhat cliched and cartoonish...but it was obvious that Javelin was German, Mirror Master was Scottish, and Plastique was French/French-Canadian. Gave the book a bit of an extra snap.<BR/><BR/>One of the things I miss about Count Vertigo is that, in recent years, everyone's forgotten about a) his Germanic accent, and b) his imperious bearing.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11737441.post-1167772022085016912007-01-02T16:07:00.000-05:002007-01-02T16:07:00.000-05:00Great post.elliot: In NY, anyway, people say "The ...Great post.<BR/><BR/>elliot: In NY, anyway, people say "The hell", and it's coarser variant all the time. There's usually a hard t sound before the th phoneme, as though 'Wha' is being elided and not the whole word.<BR/><BR/>ostrakos: Better than passive periphrastic? I think not.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11737441.post-1167729584187223412007-01-02T04:19:00.000-05:002007-01-02T04:19:00.000-05:00Sorry, went outside DC for the "worst", there! Le...Sorry, went outside DC for the "worst", there! Let's see...<BR/><BR/>Actually, I think all the DC <I>writers</I> I don't like sound the same as each other, too!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11737441.post-1167729204719372702007-01-02T04:13:00.000-05:002007-01-02T04:13:00.000-05:00I'll say Millar's by far the worst. But, he isn't...I'll say Millar's by far the worst. But, he isn't the most egregious: reading Roy Thomas' dialogue on Avengers is like sustaining some sort of brain injury, whereas Millar just plain-and-simple <I>blows</I>.<BR/><BR/>So I prefer Roy.<BR/><BR/>As far as Morrison goes, I'd say what makes his dialogue interesting is that his characters obviously choose to leave things unsaid much of the time. A breath of fresh air! However I don't know if I could easily tell them all apart without the art, even so. Gotta go with Sally: DeMatteis actually <I>did</I> this in the G/DeM JLs, and pretty frequently too.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11737441.post-1167718474396696372007-01-02T01:14:00.000-05:002007-01-02T01:14:00.000-05:00I'm really happy w/ Busiek's dialogue in his curr...I'm really happy w/ Busiek's dialogue in his current Superman run. Admittedly, he's got a big advantage in that he's able to work w/ characters who have a rich history. That said, the lines the characters speak ring true and it doesn't feel like he's working from a dialogue play book. I think this really shows in his Jimmy Olsen - Olsen may be funny, but he's not a buffoon.<BR/><BR/>While on one level it's an example of "hollow ethnic dialect", I really enjoy the various alienspeak in Gibbons' Green Lantern Corps. Gibbons plays it for laughs but that's the way I like by GLC.<BR/><BR/><BR/><BR/>-alex pAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11737441.post-1167704542747027862007-01-01T21:22:00.000-05:002007-01-01T21:22:00.000-05:00Lugspeak works for Ben Grimm because that is, albe...Lugspeak works for Ben Grimm because that is, albeit undoubtedly exaggerated, at least an approximation of how a certain kind of person used to talk at a certain point in history, which is something that becomes obvious anytime you read Kirby talking about the character - Grimm could have stepped right out of Kirby's biographical "Streetwise" tale. It's certainly an anachronism now, but comics is filled with anachronisms, so it doesn't really stand out as especially bad given the context.Tegan O'Neilhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14815842488966694944noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11737441.post-1167700107617252352007-01-01T20:08:00.000-05:002007-01-01T20:08:00.000-05:00I have to admit a great fondness for Lugspeak, tho...I have to admit a great fondness for Lugspeak, though if I had my druthers it'd be limited to Ben Grimm himself.David Chttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16985574193396205518noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11737441.post-1167687222317009072007-01-01T16:33:00.000-05:002007-01-01T16:33:00.000-05:00I know you specified DC, but I'd like to gripe abo...I know you specified DC, but I'd like to gripe about a particular instance of Brainspeak in Marvel, if you will allow me.<BR/><BR/>In May 1997, my favourite Marvel character, Hank McCoy, got his own mini-series, <I>The Beast</I>. I haven't been reading comics for a year yet, but when I saw the back issues in my LCS, I of course had to pick them up.<BR/><BR/>The whole series is chock-full of Brainspeak, but the very first issue had an example that made my blood boil.<BR/><BR/>Beast: "Still, any haven in inclement weather."<BR/><BR/>Argh! It still gets me. Isn't "Any port in a storm" a "smart" enough phrase without having to artificially inflate it? When was the last time you heard anyone use it (that wasn't a sexual innuendo)? The whole thing just smacks of a writer trying to write for a character that's smarter than he is, plugging in replacement words from his handy, dandy thesaurus.<BR/><BR/>Big words /= well-spoken.<BR/><BR/>Since it's relevant to the discussion, the offending writer was Keith Griffen.Derekhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14326906935557548236noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11737441.post-1167684178687959552007-01-01T15:42:00.000-05:002007-01-01T15:42:00.000-05:00It's hard to put into words why I think Grant Morr...It's hard to put into words why I think Grant Morrison is one of DC's best dialogers. The closest I can come up with is that his characters always seem to say more than their word balloons convey. I feel like his characters know each other, are reading each other's body language, and inferring based on their knowledge, as much as they are listening to the words that are being said. <BR/><BR/>A great Morrison dialog, to me at least, seems to go beyond what the character "said" and includes what the character meant, how they said it, the context it was said in, etc. <BR/><BR/>So all of his characters come across as having their own voice, because, to me, at least, it's based upon the very things that would give a live 3D human being voice.<BR/><BR/>He also manages to avoid my cardinal sin in dialog...excessive exposition. It's hard not to think of the 90's Superman writers when I think of this. It seems that they were constantly shoving down your throat recaps and explanations of what was going on. I feel like writers such as Grant Morrison respect the reader enough to either follow along, or at least pick up the previous issue, instead of spending a good amount of time explaining things to the reader.Neilhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07031148703359970944noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11737441.post-1167677858226905662007-01-01T13:57:00.000-05:002007-01-01T13:57:00.000-05:00I must admit that my preference for witty, clever ...I must admit that my preference for witty, clever dialogue trumps my desire to see writers give their characters clear, distinctive voices. While the very best are more than capable of doing both, I'm more than willing to settle for the former over the latter.<BR/><BR/>That said (note: this is one of my own personal pet phrases) my pick for top dialoguer (note: I am also apt to make up words at my own convenience) has to go to Ms. Simone. I can sum up why I feel so strongly about this by quoting a recent passage from <I>Birds of Prey</I> #101:<BR/><BR/>(As they watch Big Barda attempt to take down a fighter jet using her prefered weapon of choice)<BR/><BR/>Huntress: She likes to hit things with <B>her big mega-rod</B>.<BR/>Judomaster: She seems quite fond of <B>her mighty mega-rod</B>.<BR/>Huntress: Oh, yeah, her <B>mega-rod</B> looms <B>large</B> in her hands.<BR/>Lady Blackhawk: (at the controls of the helicopter they are all currently flying in) You know it's bad when even I know y'all are talkin' dirty. And if you fall out and die, don't come whinin' to me.<BR/><BR/>As sophomoric as this exchange may be to some readers, to my mind (note: another pet phrase of mine) it perfectly encapsulates the genius that is Simone. By having her characters gleefully joke about the obviously phallic nature of a teammate's weapon during the middle of an otherwise tense action sequence, she deflects away the inherent absurdity of the situation and makes her characters seem more human in the process (insofar that the gleeful mockery of our peers pretensions is part of what defines us as a species). She then caps the moment with a perfect piece of character dialogue in which the blonde bombshell anachronism that is Lady Blackhawk calls them out for behaving so childishly. <BR/><BR/>What can I say? This brief moment made me happier than anything else I've read the rest of the year. Perhaps that speaks ill of me, but I like to think that it makes me special instead (note: I am incapable of writing anything without at least once using the word "instead" at some point in the body of the work).<BR/><BR/>As for the worst, well....I tend not to focus on or think about what I don't like. I just ignore it and let others deal with it at their leisure, so I honestly can't think of any writer whose dialogue qualifies for such negative condemnation.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11737441.post-1167672883172034262007-01-01T12:34:00.000-05:002007-01-01T12:34:00.000-05:00It's not limited to Marvel, but I really hate the ...It's not limited to Marvel, but I really hate the Lugspeak (Ben Grimm, SCRAPPY, UGH). I don't see it so much anymore. Thank God that Ultimate Thing talks like a human being.<BR/><BR/>The worst dialoger at DC right now is definitely Judd Winick. Every character seems to drop the same lame "not-quite a wisecrack"s, like "What was your first clue?" and "No, really?".Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11737441.post-1167672120775737402007-01-01T12:22:00.000-05:002007-01-01T12:22:00.000-05:00Worst? Wolfman on Teen Titans when anyone was in ...Worst? Wolfman on Teen Titans when anyone was in pain:<BR/><BR/>"My God...the pain, the pain!"<BR/><BR/>or some variation thereof.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11737441.post-1167671329145834672007-01-01T12:08:00.000-05:002007-01-01T12:08:00.000-05:00I always thought that Giffen and DeMatteis did a l...I always thought that Giffen and DeMatteis did a lovely job of creating distinctive voices when they were on JLI. You didn't even have to look to where the word balloon was, you KNEW who was talking. <BR/><BR/>Oh, and thank you for the Hal Jordan catchphrase. VERY appropriate. Hee hee.SallyPhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05592635194271250605noreply@blogger.com