tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11737441.post113700690842737878..comments2024-03-27T19:04:14.544-05:00Comments on The Absorbascon: Holy Anniversaries!Scipiohttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16217376618860561999noreply@blogger.comBlogger33125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11737441.post-67033574328717532632011-11-01T22:06:46.820-05:002011-11-01T22:06:46.820-05:00It can't work as a matter of fact, that's ...It can't work as a matter of fact, that's exactly what I consider.<br /><a href="http://www.boutiquehotelsnyc.org" rel="nofollow"> boutique hotels in nyc</a> | <a href="http://www.cookingwhiz.com/recipes/breakfast.php" rel="nofollow">Breakfast recipes</a> | <a href="http://www.cookingwhiz.com/recipes/curry.php" rel="nofollow">Curry recipes</a> | <a href="http://www.nonhormonaliud.com" rel="nofollow"> intrauterine devices</a> | <a href="http://www.doctorateineducation.net" rel="nofollow">Doctorate In Education</a>Barrienoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11737441.post-1137193956762301792006-01-13T18:12:00.000-05:002006-01-13T18:12:00.000-05:00"Because, had I not been a toddler at the time or ...<EM>"Because, had I not been a toddler at the time or if the show premiered now, I would have hated it. Hated it."</EM><BR/><BR/>See, I had the exact opposite reaction to the Batman series. I saw it when I was about eight or nine years old in the late eighties/early nineties, right after the first Burton movie came out, and I absolutely <EM>loathed</EM> it because I knew of course that Batman was supposed to be dark and cool and scary and this show just had some dork running around in tights.<BR/><BR/>Now that I'm older, wiser, and have a better sense of humor, I can appreciate the show's satire for what it was. I can also appreciate multiple versions of the same character; I've even warmed to Superboy stories over the years, despite my conviction that his eradication Restored Superman To The Mythos.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11737441.post-1137192567591537412006-01-13T17:49:00.000-05:002006-01-13T17:49:00.000-05:00Interesting excerpt from Brooker's book. I thought...Interesting excerpt from Brooker's book. I thought I remembered reading something in Joel Eisner's <I>Offical Batman Batbook</I> that gave a different version, but I checked and I was wrong. That book did recount Bill Dozier's claim that he created Aunt Harriet to defuse homosexual claims, which was bunk as Harriet had been in the comics for two years already.<BR/><BR/>Anything seen in these books is filtered through forty years of memories of the people responsible. Personally I find it hard to believe that the TV show had enough influence on the comic to request a whole new major character be created, especially that early on. For the comic to have been on the stands in October 1966, when would they have had to start writing and drawing it?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11737441.post-1137178242270011152006-01-13T13:50:00.000-05:002006-01-13T13:50:00.000-05:00"[Byrne didn't eliminate Superboy from the mythos;..."[Byrne didn't eliminate Superboy from the mythos; he eliminated Superman.]"<BR/><BR/>That is a very interesting observation! I see what you mean.Scipiohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16217376618860561999noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11737441.post-1137177690073173992006-01-13T13:41:00.000-05:002006-01-13T13:41:00.000-05:00I was 4 when the Batman TV show aired, and was nat...I was 4 when the Batman TV show aired, and was naturally enthralled by the derring-do. Plus, Bruce Lee laid the smackdown on Robin. How cool is that???<BR/><BR/>I went through my anti-Adam West phase in my teens and 20s, but recall the show fondly now and find it's camp aspects as compelling a deconstruction of the superhero myth as anything by Moore and Miller. <BR/><BR/>In fact, I'll even wager that All-Star Batman and Robin is Miller's own take on the "camp" Batman, only a lot less entertaining than the original.<BR/><BR/>P.S. I preferred the Kents dead as well. I grew up with Superman as a lonely god, not a farmboy who basically has everything in the world.Marc Burkhardthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06949686463975572297noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11737441.post-1137175054047123122006-01-13T12:57:00.000-05:002006-01-13T12:57:00.000-05:00The one thing I like about the Kents being alive i...<I>The one thing I like about the Kents being alive is that Superman knows there are two people in the world who can walk right up to him and tell him to Stop it this instant young man and he'll have to.</I><BR/><BR/>Exactly. Which is why their being alive means that you're really reading a Superboy story. [Byrne didn't eliminate Superboy from the mythos; he eliminated Superman.]<BR/><BR/>Not that I have any problem with Superboy stories as such, although they're generally a lot more fun when Clark isn't tied down permanently to Lois and can get involved in triangles and such...Jeff R.https://www.blogger.com/profile/00893541435938915895noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11737441.post-1137126395763881642006-01-12T23:26:00.000-05:002006-01-12T23:26:00.000-05:00It should be something everyone already knows. We ...It should be something everyone already knows. We all change, everything else changes, comics should to. I didn't mean to sound snarky I just thought it was something everyone already knew.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11737441.post-1137125357480923892006-01-12T23:09:00.000-05:002006-01-12T23:09:00.000-05:00The one thing I like about the Kents being alive i...The one thing I like about the Kents being alive is that Superman knows there are two people in the world who can walk right up to him and tell him to Stop it this instant young man and he'll have to.<BR/><BR/>And wow did this Batman TV show post get a lot of responses. I guess it did have a big effect.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11737441.post-1137117229080191012006-01-12T20:53:00.001-05:002006-01-12T20:53:00.001-05:00De-lurking here...I was six years old when Batman ...De-lurking here...I was six years old when Batman debuted on tv, so that was probably my first exposure to the character (And of course, I didn't realize what I was watching was "camp" till years after the fact). And I know I'd feel the exact same way as you, if the show debuted now--I would HATE that it was "making fun of" the character, and making comics seem stupid. But be that as it may, there must have been something there, because here I am, 38 years later, still invested enough in "Batman" to be sharing my thoughts on the matter here.<BR/><BR/>But anyway...interesting post. I'll definitely be back for more.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11737441.post-1137117207710619822006-01-12T20:53:00.000-05:002006-01-12T20:53:00.000-05:00JP - that "Batman with Eve" page is from the (in)f...JP - that "Batman with Eve" page is from the (in)famous "Elseworlds 80-Page Giant". The book was printed and ready to ship when Paul Levitz allegedly ordered the entire run scrapped due to a Kyle Baker story featuring Kal-el's babysitter in which she put him in the microwave oven (see http://netgeist.com/superbaby.htm). A few copies made it over to England and they run over $100 on ebay. The Batman/Eve page was a one-page pinup.Michaelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15001530336692435773noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11737441.post-1137109758231610632006-01-12T18:49:00.000-05:002006-01-12T18:49:00.000-05:00dude, don't hurt yourself too much about dat 4colo...dude, don't hurt yourself too much about dat 4color-magick.<BR/>Still, ..."Compassion is the vice of kings" and such.Axel M. Grunerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10948345340834003833noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11737441.post-1137106937251991912006-01-12T18:02:00.000-05:002006-01-12T18:02:00.000-05:00Cite your source, please."Barbara Gordon, the seco...<I>Cite your source, please.</I><BR/><BR/>"Barbara Gordon, the second Batgirl - alias Barbara Gordon, studying a 'PhD at Gotham State University' - was written into the comic narrative with Detective #359 of January 1967. This addition was made by Julius Schwartz, then-editor of the Batman titles, at the explicit request of Dozier, who wanted to bring her into the TV series as a female interest and as a new sop to the persistent rumours that the TV Batman and Robin, like their comic book counterparts, were gay; she debuted, played by Yvonne Craig, in the first episode of the TV show's third season, aired on 14 September of that year."<BR/><BR/>Will Brooker, <I>Batman Unmasked: Analyzing a Cultural Icon</I> (pg 187, if you want to get specific)<BR/><BR/>-Poison IvoryAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11737441.post-1137101207818711762006-01-12T16:26:00.000-05:002006-01-12T16:26:00.000-05:00"In the long-term, what works, remains. What doesn..."In the long-term, what works, remains. What doesn't, fades."<BR/><BR/>A simple and effective salve most comics fans ought to remember. Excellent summary.<BR/><BR/>I tend to phrase it this way (and yes, there is a definite negative possibilty to it as well):<BR/><BR/><B>"There is <I>no</I> comics story than cannot be undone."</B><BR/><BR/>In 2005, especially.Bullyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11708103213119467419noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11737441.post-1137098235933447722006-01-12T15:37:00.000-05:002006-01-12T15:37:00.000-05:00It lessens Clark. Specifically, he's supposed to ...It lessens Clark. Specifically, he's supposed to have a strong moral code that comes from internalizing the lessons that his parents taught him while they were still around.<BR/><BR/>If they are around to, say, forgive him for killing Zod & Co, it externalizes and thus weakens the character's essential morality.<BR/><BR/>Also, one of the important elements in the archtypal superhero story is the secondary tragedy, the 'even with all his powers he couldn't stop [whatever]'. Keeping the Kents around robs Superman's story of this critical element. I've a similar problem versions of the Spider-man story where Gwen Stacy never existed (or where her loss has more emotional impact on Aunt May than Peter Parker.)<BR/><BR/>(Plus, if Martha were dead, the current Supergirl might have a respectable costume.)Jeff R.https://www.blogger.com/profile/00893541435938915895noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11737441.post-1137097048057433442006-01-12T15:17:00.000-05:002006-01-12T15:17:00.000-05:00"I'm never, ever, ever going to accept that any st..."I'm never, ever, ever going to accept that any story in which the Kents are still alive is anything other than a Superboy story, no matter how old or married or what-not the main character may be. Essential element my left foot."<BR/><BR/>That's interesting. While I myself do not feel that way -- quite the opposite -- am delighted to know that there is someone who ever REMEMBERS that they used to be dead.<BR/><BR/>I'm curious whether there's a specific reason you don't like the change (such as, it lessens Clark somehow) or is more basic (it's simply too far from cannon)?Scipiohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16217376618860561999noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11737441.post-1137096850965333662006-01-12T15:14:00.000-05:002006-01-12T15:14:00.000-05:00I suppose it could, Mallet.For that matter, Hamlet...I suppose it could, Mallet.<BR/><BR/>For that matter, Hamlet could be synopsized as "all the characters die".<BR/><BR/>Personally I think an understanding of how they change is helpful in "getting over it".Scipiohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16217376618860561999noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11737441.post-1137096562602733522006-01-12T15:09:00.000-05:002006-01-12T15:09:00.000-05:00But... then we would be bereft of that trademark S...But... then we would be bereft of that trademark Scipio prose! And what fun would that be?<BR/><BR/>You in a hurry or something?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11737441.post-1137095843518265002006-01-12T14:57:00.000-05:002006-01-12T14:57:00.000-05:00Couldn't this entire post have been trimmed down t...Couldn't this entire post have been trimmed down to:<BR/><BR/>"Comics change, get over it."?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11737441.post-1137095395466656902006-01-12T14:49:00.000-05:002006-01-12T14:49:00.000-05:00I loved reading "My Life in Tights" by Burt Ward. ...I loved reading "My Life in Tights" by Burt Ward. Pick it up if you get a chance it goes into detail about the show and the sometimes raunchy things what went on around it. It totally changed my perception of Adam West and the gang.<BR/><BR/>Excellent post comparing Mythology to modern comics btw.Hate Filled Posterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00965492342916144479noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11737441.post-1137088554213024262006-01-12T12:55:00.000-05:002006-01-12T12:55:00.000-05:00I met Burt Ward this year. He was a very nice gra...I met Burt Ward this year. He was a very nice grandfatherly man. I think he called me things like dear, and hon. <BR/><BR/>It's so true the message boards and blogs would rip the batman show to shreds. But I read something recently about Gen Xers that "novelty undermines authenticity". I try to keep that in mind.RedheadFangirlhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03130452058774732168noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11737441.post-1137087911469290922006-01-12T12:45:00.000-05:002006-01-12T12:45:00.000-05:00Lionel Luthor? Who could not like Lionel Luthor?O...Lionel Luthor? Who could not like Lionel Luthor?<BR/><BR/>On the other hand, I'm never, ever, ever going to accept that any story in which the Kents are still alive is anything other than a Superboy story, no matter how old or married or what-not the main character may be. Essential element my left foot.Jeff R.https://www.blogger.com/profile/00893541435938915895noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11737441.post-1137086408504286392006-01-12T12:20:00.000-05:002006-01-12T12:20:00.000-05:00The show's producers asked the comic book writers ...<I>The show's producers asked the comic book writers to create a new Batgirl so that they could introduce her into the show.</I><BR/><BR/>Cite your source, please.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11737441.post-1137083632174399732006-01-12T11:33:00.000-05:002006-01-12T11:33:00.000-05:00The show's producers asked the comic book writers ...The show's producers asked the comic book writers to create a new Batgirl so that they could introduce her into the show. So depending on how you look at it, Barbara Gordon was created FOR the show but BY the comics.<BR/><BR/>-Poison IvoryAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11737441.post-1137083248773592292006-01-12T11:27:00.000-05:002006-01-12T11:27:00.000-05:00Barbra Gordon/Batgirl first appeared in Detective ...Barbra Gordon/Batgirl first appeared in Detective Comics #359, cover-dated January 1967, therefore on the newsstands around Halloween 1966, about a year before Yvonne Craig pulled on the spandex.<BR/><BR/>It is possible that DC sent the show's producers an advance copy of the comic, or that the renewed popularity of Batman created by the show inspired DC to add a new character in the comics, but such details are lost to time and memory.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11737441.post-1137082693671937202006-01-12T11:18:00.000-05:002006-01-12T11:18:00.000-05:00The Barbara Gordon Batgirl was created for the sho...The Barbara Gordon Batgirl was created for the show, and introduced in the comic as a tie-in, in much the same way that Alfred, who'd been killed off in the comic was revived because the show wanted to feature him. They might have created a new Batgirl, who may or may not have been Jim Gordon's daughter without the show's influence, but I think it's unlikely.<BR/><BR/>-MindbenderAnonymousnoreply@blogger.com