tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11737441.post112738673896090829..comments2024-03-27T19:04:14.544-05:00Comments on The Absorbascon: "Peter David's Aquaman"Scipiohttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16217376618860561999noreply@blogger.comBlogger36125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11737441.post-79806033390279783422022-09-15T10:43:49.644-05:002022-09-15T10:43:49.644-05:00Then you deserve to read better critics.Then you deserve to read better critics.Scipiohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12112155718721908876noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11737441.post-11915563876871809862022-09-15T02:41:20.505-05:002022-09-15T02:41:20.505-05:00First time I've ever seen anybody condemn PAD....First time I've ever seen anybody condemn PAD.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11737441.post-1127906295750048542005-09-28T06:18:00.000-05:002005-09-28T06:18:00.000-05:00Maybe from Sub Diego onwards, they can start doing...Maybe from Sub Diego onwards, they can start doing a nice, orderly, JSA-style run of trades?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11737441.post-1127521542720345152005-09-23T19:25:00.000-05:002005-09-23T19:25:00.000-05:00I have thoroughly enjoyed much of Peter David's wr...I have thoroughly enjoyed much of Peter David's writing, particularly Hulk and Atlantis Chronicles. But I do agree he's had his very low points too. I'm surprised no one has mentioned his Green Lantern series in Action Comics Weakly.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11737441.post-1127506549222343672005-09-23T15:15:00.000-05:002005-09-23T15:15:00.000-05:00Haven't red his Aquaman series but I did enjoy the...Haven't red his Aquaman series but I did enjoy the <I>Atlantic Chronicles</I> (iirc) which showcased the history of DC's Atlantis.<BR/><BR/>Any thoughts on that?Martin Wissehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04612094541576041276noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11737441.post-1127503516795503002005-09-23T14:25:00.000-05:002005-09-23T14:25:00.000-05:00Like a lot of comics writers, Peter David is prett...Like a lot of comics writers, Peter David is pretty hit and miss... but when he hits, he's great. His original Hulk run and some of his recent Hulk issues, Fallen Angel, Madrox, and a few other things I'm forgetting right now, were all great. But his Aquaman run made me deeply ashamed to be seen reading it in public.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11737441.post-1127481818965072262005-09-23T08:23:00.000-05:002005-09-23T08:23:00.000-05:00I've only read a handful of YJ and Supergirl back ...I've only read a handful of YJ and Supergirl back issues, but they were a lot of fun. I certainly found YJ more enjoyable than Teen Titans, which replaced it.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11737441.post-1127480704338369112005-09-23T08:05:00.000-05:002005-09-23T08:05:00.000-05:00Oh, I don't know. I thought the "Death of Hippoly...Oh, I don't know. I thought the "Death of Hippolyta" issue of Phil's run wasn't so bad. The whole Trevor Barnes thing though was irredeemable, yuck.<BR/><BR/>What I'm not digging are the rumors that Diana will be biting it and Donna taking over. Arrgh.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11737441.post-1127477726384732602005-09-23T07:15:00.000-05:002005-09-23T07:15:00.000-05:00I'll be the first to say I'm a Peter David fan. He...I'll be the first to say I'm a Peter David fan. He made Incredible Hulk my favorite comic growing up, wrote one of the few good Wolverine stories (the one drawn by Sam Kieth), made a collection of C-Grade mutants entertaining in X-Factor, and built an interesting world with Fallen Angel.<BR/><BR/>That said, he's had his share of misfires. Like most comic book writers, Peter David has his tics (puns being one of the worst), and it sounds like all those tics turned up in Aquaman. At the same time, the DCU went "Xtreme." Not a good combo.<BR/><BR/>While I've never read David's Aquaman, I dropped Young Justice because it seemed like empty schtick, and lost interest in Supergirl because it was boring.<BR/>Did I miss anything by ignoring those books?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11737441.post-1127477571119847042005-09-23T07:12:00.000-05:002005-09-23T07:12:00.000-05:00Makes ya appreciate Pfeiffer that much more, don't...Makes ya appreciate Pfeiffer that much more, don't it?Scipiohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16217376618860561999noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11737441.post-1127466117114999672005-09-23T04:01:00.000-05:002005-09-23T04:01:00.000-05:00Porpoises? Oh, great. You just made me remember th...Porpoises? Oh, great. You just made me remember that bit from his origin where he gets sent away from the porpoises because he hits on one of them.<BR/>Aquaman. Hitting on a porpoise. In his own origin story. That alone made me turn my back on any concept of the character for years.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11737441.post-1127458919816935732005-09-23T02:01:00.000-05:002005-09-23T02:01:00.000-05:00"In Hell, only four DC comic books are published:R..."In Hell, only four DC comic books are published:<BR/>Rick Veitch's Aquaman<BR/>Jeph Loeb's Batman<BR/>Phil Jimenez's Wonder Woman<BR/>Jack Kirby's Superman"<BR/><BR/>Rick Veitch's Aquaman: For everyone who read Veitch's Swamp Thing and said "gee, I wish this were more complicated and laden with unnecessary Arthurian mythology."<BR/>Jeph Loeb's Batman: "Remember when I wrote good mystery stories, in which Batman was a detective more than a sci-fi gadget superhero? Keep remembering."<BR/>Phil Jiminez's Wonder Woman: Confusing? Yes. But at least it's pretty.<BR/>Jack Kirby's Superman: If you took Grant Morrison off his meds, you might get something like this. That being said, the dialogue's nothing great, and...Goody Rickels? But damn...fun comics.<BR/><BR/>Oh, wait, Superman? We're not talking Jimmy Olsen?Tom Fosshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13796424725228769265noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11737441.post-1127436133823326432005-09-22T19:42:00.000-05:002005-09-22T19:42:00.000-05:00I have no opinion about whether Peter David's Aqua...I have no opinion about whether Peter David's Aquaman or the classic Aquaman is better than the other, having never read an Aquaman comic in my life (though I've liked his portrayal over in the Justice League cartoon). But let's not dismiss Peter David's writing skills just because you dislike what he did to Aquaman. He had good runs on Young Justice and Supergirl, and Fallen Angel was one of the best books out there.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11737441.post-1127423658595667272005-09-22T16:14:00.000-05:002005-09-22T16:14:00.000-05:00"in the 90s. This was the period of time when DC w..."in the 90s. This was the period of time when DC was so ashamed of their icons, they made them unrecognizable."<BR/><BR/>More like, Aquaman wasn't selling as the orange shirted talks to fish guy, so a writer decided to do something different with that character to actually sell some comics. <BR/><BR/>It's no different than Identity Crisis: some will hate it, some with love it, people will buy it.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11737441.post-1127422410543208522005-09-22T15:53:00.000-05:002005-09-22T15:53:00.000-05:00"It'd have to be better than Rick Veitch's run, ri..."It'd have to be better than Rick Veitch's run, right?"<BR/><BR/>It is, completely and unequivocally; no argument there!<BR/><BR/>In Hell, only four DC comic books are published:<BR/>Rick Veitch's Aquaman<BR/>Jeph Loeb's Batman<BR/>Phil Jimenez's Wonder Woman<BR/>Jack Kirby's SupermanScipiohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16217376618860561999noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11737441.post-1127422211846733852005-09-22T15:50:00.000-05:002005-09-22T15:50:00.000-05:00"in the 90s. This was the period of time when DC w..."in the 90s. This was the period of time when DC was so ashamed of their icons, they made them unrecognizable."<BR/><BR/>Thank you, Benari! I'd never put my finger on that before, but I think you must be right...Scipiohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16217376618860561999noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11737441.post-1127422100261539562005-09-22T15:48:00.000-05:002005-09-22T15:48:00.000-05:00Generally, I really like David's stuff. I loved Su...Generally, I really like David's stuff. I loved Supergirl and Young Justice (and I'm continually kicking myself for missing out on those for so many years) and both Madrox and Fallen Angel were top-notch. <BR/><BR/>That being said, I've never read David's Aquaman, but I really do like a lot of the changes that were made to the character 'round that time, which I experienced secondhand through Morrison's JLA. I mean, even as a kid with no fashion sense, I thought orange and green were an odd mix of colors. I like that Aquaman became competent, powerful, and no longer the laughingstock of the League for having as his claim to fame the ability to talk to fish.<BR/><BR/>I mean, come on, the guy with color-themed trick arrows got more respect. It's a wonder Aquaman ever left the ocean.<BR/><BR/>Giving Aquaman stronger telepathy and thinking about the surface consequences of the abilities one would necessarily have to survive at the bottom of the ocean were brilliant strides, and made Aquaman a damn interesting character in Waid's JLA: Year One and both Waid and Morrison's JLA runs. The beard? Why not? It's tough to get shaving cream to stick when you're underwater, and it offers better potential for cool visuals. The hook? A little derivative, but it was a decent change up until they decided to replace it with a "liquid metal hand that might as well just be a hand and let's forget that it was ever cut off"<BR/><BR/>Raised by dolphins? Okay, he's not Aqua-Mowgli. That's just dumb. But giving the people of Atlantis a little of their own culture instead of making them Earth-W (for wet!), that was a worthwhile pursuit.<BR/><BR/>David's Aquaman may have been a mixed bag, or just a load of crap. Maybe I'll pick up Time and Tide and some back issues next time the comic shop has a half-off sale (I know I've seen many of those in the 50-cent boxes). It'd have to be better than Rick Veitch's run, right?Tom Fosshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13796424725228769265noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11737441.post-1127418326601072752005-09-22T14:45:00.000-05:002005-09-22T14:45:00.000-05:00I think you OVER simplify (to the XTREME.. haha) t...I think you OVER simplify (to the XTREME.. haha) the run too much, there was alot to the book, if you look past the "childish pun" as you put it. Did you read Atlantis Chronicles also? I think alot of interesting subjects were approached in the title?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11737441.post-1127415110097411062005-09-22T13:51:00.000-05:002005-09-22T13:51:00.000-05:00The problem with admitting that something that som...The problem with admitting that something that something you originally liked could be perceived as awful on a second, more critical glance, is that in my opinion is both responsible for the "To the EXTREME!" mentality of the 90's and the "Grim and gritty equals adult adult" of nowadays. When readers (and worst, comic book creators) become ashamed of the stories they read when they were younger, the impulse is to try to explain the silliness, or lack of logic of these stories had (ie. Identity Crisis and Omac Project).<BR/><BR/>Now, I am not saying no criticism can be done, since if no critic as synonym of quality, the best comic ever made would have John Byrne and Rob Liefield together on the creative team (don't even joke about it) since they both are totally blind to the flaws of their works.Julio Oliveirahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03191222684432534567noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11737441.post-1127409348221240902005-09-22T12:15:00.000-05:002005-09-22T12:15:00.000-05:00Hey, most of the comics I read now are pretty damn...Hey, most of the comics I read now are pretty damn dumb. But they are a whole lot more fun than a lot of the grown up stuff around these days.Marionettehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06985975073151200366noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11737441.post-1127407825343617052005-09-22T11:50:00.000-05:002005-09-22T11:50:00.000-05:00But if I'm willing to look at the comic books that...<I>But if I'm willing to look at the comic books that interested me in characters when I was young and admit that, yes, they could be pretty darned stupid, then why can't other people admit that, too?</I><BR/><BR/>I've encountered this many times as well. As near as I can figure, these people apparently believe that their critical and aesthetic faculties are fully develooped sometime around age 6, and just deteriorate after that.Dorianhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14754097613320749614noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11737441.post-1127403191588236332005-09-22T10:33:00.000-05:002005-09-22T10:33:00.000-05:00Extreme porpoises are twice as RAD as regular porp...Extreme porpoises are twice as RAD as regular porpoises, it's a scienticular fact!<BR/><BR/>Seriously, I started reading Aquaman at the start of Pfeifer's run, and I'm glad I did, because it looks like reading the adventures of the Soggy Grump might have soured solo Aquaman stories for me. As it is, I'm looking forward to a (as of now) hypothetical Showcase Presents Aquaman tpb.Jhunthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10729450667676575566noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11737441.post-1127402536436493922005-09-22T10:22:00.000-05:002005-09-22T10:22:00.000-05:00Ah, poor, noble, unlamented Tom Curry. He of the ...Ah, poor, noble, unlamented Tom Curry. He of the peacoat and pipe. Standing there, keeping his lonely vigil on the railing of his lighthouse, limned by the seaspray. A bottle of Old Spice resting snugly in his pocket, waiting for the day he'll toss it playfully to some young rake, while whistling a jaunty sea shanty .... <BR/><BR/>I miss him. That's why I've taken his name. <BR/><BR/>Look, I liked two things about the PAD run. The Major Disaster as Supervillain Rube Goldberg story, which was a very neat idea. And the Random Parademon Gains Individuality story, also a neat trick. <BR/><BR/>Paging through those issues, you see the ads for all the early 90's/Too The EXTREEME!/Poochy the Dog crap that what was going in comics back then, (Lobo! The Extremists! Knightfall!) and PAD can almost -- almost -- be forgiven. <BR/><BR/>He thought it best to give Arthur the maritime equivalent of the "Raised by Wolves" trope. <BR/><BR/>Porpoises. To the EXTREME! <BR/><BR/>But it doesn't hold a candle, iconically speaking, to Son of a Lighthouse Keeper and the Queen of Atlantis.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11737441.post-1127402092197089212005-09-22T10:14:00.000-05:002005-09-22T10:14:00.000-05:00Dan Jurgens finished off "Peter David's Aquaman."Dan Jurgens finished off "Peter David's Aquaman."Devon Sandershttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08223057696498728357noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11737441.post-1127401547835593732005-09-22T10:05:00.000-05:002005-09-22T10:05:00.000-05:00Wasn't that Erik Larsen? I think he may have crea...Wasn't that Erik Larsen? I think he may have created Lagoon Boy as well.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com